Originally Posted by Peachie

Oh, it's ok, Graciegirl!! Lol. :bigthumbsup: I think if anyone reads my posts, they know I adhere to the belief we must be involved and to work positively toward change.

And now Kathleen, I'm ashamed of nothing. This is about issues, not egos, please remember that. We did not ever own any of the shopping centers. Period. You say you are well read and informed so surely you know that to be a fact. You must also be very aware of the scope of foreign investments in the United States and that businesses and properties are sold by development people every day. The problem here seems to lie within the laws of the CCD's and that may be the area were the changes should be positioned. And if the law is effected that those changes are implemented, we will pay for all the excellent amenities, golf courses, entertainment and so on, in other ways. Quite simply, there is no such thing as a free ride. No developer, property management company or whomever will absorb the huge costs associated with these features. Whether the costs are hidden in other areas or our bonds, we will be paying the price for fine living. Also, foreign companies are not going to buy shopping centers to drive us all out of the area. What would be the point?

Best Mom, do not send private messages to me regarding your impressions of the mental health or personalities of other posters. I am only interested in The Villages in this forum and have NO interest in that type of dialogue.

In the end, I will enjoy my life as I go, vote and support and necessary changes that will continue to improve our community.

If this impressions on the mental health of posters reflects back on me the originator of this string please note that I am listed in several Marquis Who Who's in the World editions as well as three or four Marquis Who Who in America from the period 1992 through 2002. Since 1991, some of the powers that be in legal publishing and law librarianship have used labels of mentally ill as a weapon of distraction -- like some lawyers do to get their criminal defendants off-- while I have been fighting to get practical materials into law libraries and others for survivors of crimes. You can check for yourself whether this material is in libraries using the Internet. This is extremely easy. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/sm....html#msg10959

Here is one such useful link for survivors of crimes here in Lake County, FL. http://www.lakeline.lib.fl.us/intern...oryCategory=24 I have been trying to get a link like this at the Villages Public Library as well as at Marion County Public Library for a few years. There was an article by Mr. Gary Corsair about my efforts here in TV and its libraries (Sumter, Marion, and Lake) in The Villages Daily Sun on Memorial Day of 2007. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/sm...0.html#msg4790

Again you can check for yourself about these resources being there. I got a link at the U of MN Law Library within the last year or so which would be of use for survivors of crimes. Not sure it is even still there now that I look. Just checked. It is still there http://local.law.umn.edu/library/sub...-web.html#Crim https://www.talkofthevillages.com/sm....html#msg34658

Since 1992, I have tried to do this work in every US state as well as many foreign countries with some success. Not as much as I would have liked for all the time and effort, money, and stomach acid I have put into this.

[ladykathleen]

Willy,

Thank you for your post. Yes that was what I was referring too.

[Peachie]

Oh, good grief, Tal, :redface: I'm sorry if you had any impressions my post made any inference to you. I received a personal message in the form of an email from Best Mom and I didn't want to begin a personal correspondence with her regarding mental health/personality issues that she made to me. You weren't even on the radar! Continue to post away and I'm sure that Best Mom now knows I am interested in only discussing The Beautiful Villages and, that it is on a public forum.

Kathleen, life is change. Nothing remains the same and if you've enjoyed a even better life than now being offered in The Villages, I am happy for you. But for all those years you have been here, you must have realized that someone has to pay the piper eventually and that all those freebies in the beginning were developer enticements. But what remains today is a beautiful development and I haven't changed my tune, as you indicated. I've stated all along that we need to be cognizant, read my past posts. You did state, in your earlier post, "our shopping centers" and I don't believe anyone should have the impression they are buying anymore than their home and the property on which it sits. I'm not a member of the Morse family, I am not on their payroll and no personal affiliation with any of them but I find your constant, broad personal attacks on this developer useless and detracting from The Villages itself. Go specifically to the issue at hand, offer a solution or a specific channel of remedy and you'll have my full attention every time. Bear in mind, though, that individuals are not all of the same mind on every issue. I would hope that when you arise tomorrow and even as today progresses, you look around and thoroughly enjoy the life you are living there, we will not travel this way again. (I'm going to go have some fun myself before more trouble is concocted.)

Originally Posted by Peachie

Oh, good grief, Tal, :redface: I'm sorry if you had any impressions my post made any inference to you. I received a personal message in the form of an email from Best Mom and I didn't want to begin a personal correspondence with her regarding mental health/personality issues that she made to me. You weren't even on the radar! Continue to post away and I'm sure that Best Mom now knows I am interested in only discussing The Beautiful Villages and, that it is on a public forum.

Kathleen, life is change. Nothing remains the same and if you've enjoyed a even better life than now being offered in The Villages, I am happy for you. But for all those years you have been here, you must have realized that someone has to pay the piper eventually and that all those freebies in the beginning were developer enticements. But what remains today is a beautiful development and I haven't changed my tune, as you indicated. I've stated all along that we need to be cognizant, read my past posts. You did state, in your earlier post, "our shopping centers" and I don't believe anyone should have the impression they are buying anymore than their home and the property on which it sits. I'm not a member of the Morse family, I am not on their payroll and no personal affiliation with any of them but I find your constant, broad personal attacks on this developer useless and detracting from The Villages itself. Go specifically to the issue at hand, offer a solution or a specific channel of remedy and you'll have my full attention every time. Bear in mind, though, that individuals are not all of the same mind on every issue. I would hope that when you arise tomorrow and even as today progresses, you look around and thoroughly enjoy the life you are living there, we will not travel this way again. (I'm going to go have some fun myself before more trouble is concocted.)

The Villages, Florida.


Sorry, Peachie. I can be a little oversensitive when I hear "mentally ill" thrown into the mix.

Really like it here in the Villages, Florida and the people on TOTV are also for the most part nice and open-minded.

[islandgal]

Peachie -

I see you joined TOTV August 7. Are you a year round resident and, if so, how long have you lived here?

Thanks.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac

Sorry, I can be a little oversensitive when I hear "mentally ill" thrown into the mix.

Tal.

I am going to highjack this thread for a minute. I did not for one second associate the "mentally ill" bit with you. You are so helpful, intelligent, and "johnny on the spot" with information on any and every subject. You have personally helped me with information on this forum time and time again. I didn't know you were in Who's Who, but now I will be reticent to call you in for information..JUST KIDDING. Congratulations. I am not surprised.

I thank you for your openness about the difficulties that you have personally experienced. I believe that when we share challenges with others, it helps people to know that not one of us hasn't been through a personal hell at one time or another and somehow survived.

Peachie.

You prove that being extremely smart does not keep a person from being extremely fair.
I personally can't wait to meet you in person. You impress the :edit: out of me. What a gal; funny, quick, logical, and so nice!

[KayakerNC]

Originally Posted by Peachie

**Snip**someone has to pay the piper eventually and that all those freebies in the beginning were developer enticements. But what remains today is a beautiful development **Snip**

Well said! :bigthumbsup:

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Tal.

I am going to highjack this thread for a minute. I did not for one second associate the "mentally ill" bit with you. You are so helpful, intelligent, and "johnny on the spot" with information on any and every subject. You have personally helped me with information on this forum time and time again. I didn't know you were in Who's Who, but now I will be reticent to call you in for information..JUST KIDDING. Congratulations. I am not surprised.

I thank you for your openness about the difficulties that you have personally experienced. I believe that when we share challenges with others, it helps people to know that not one of us hasn't been through a personal hell at one time or another and somehow survived.

Peachie.

You prove that being extremely smart does not keep a person from being extremely fair.
I personally can't wait to meet you in person. You impress the :edit: out of me. What a gal; funny, quick, logical, and so nice!

The Villages, Florida.

Thanks, Graciegirl. My experiences on Findlaw's message boards with my survivors' right to practical information campaign from 2002 through 2007 or so kind of color my use of the Internet.

Find TOTV people so much nicer than those on Findlaw. Of course, Findlaw was full of lawyers, law students, felons, the accused, genuinely mentally ill, and people looking for stories and/or titillation.

Back to the article about the Villages, I have not met that many plastic people here in TV or on TOTV as you would expect from reading either this professor's article or Andrew Blechman's Leisureville.

[chelsea24]

Ladykathleen, I'm just curious. How or in what way was The Villages better or nicer before than it is now? I would really like to know, I'm not being sarcastic. :dontknow:


Peachie, I truly enjoy your posts and I agree with Gracie, you are quick, funny, logical, nice, and I will add very savvy to have seen through Best Mom's notorious poison pen letters. Please keep posting, I think you're right on the money. Can't wait to meet you.

[samhass]

Tal, This is Peachie's exact quote "Best Mom, do not send private messages to me regarding your impressions of the mental health or personalities of other posters. I am only interested in The Villages in this forum and have NO interest in that type of dialogue."
At no point did Peachie mention the phrase "mentally ill". Even if she had, there is no way anyone would have misconstrued that to think she was referring to you. We all think you are an attribute to this board. You are highly regarded here, dear Tal. Further, Peachie is very erudite. Her writing is forthright. I feel no hidden agendas with her posts. She says what she means and means what she says. I, too, hope to meet her. Peachie, I think you are the bomb!

[Rokinronda]

Peachie, I also enjoy your posts and agree with your logic. Thanks for great posts and questions. I am also curious what has happened in The Villages that has begrudged Lady. I have only been here a short 4 years and am personnally impressed with the progress, beauty, amenities, and the 99% happy folks. My neighbor has been here for 15 years and she LOVES THE VILLAGES, FLORIDA and everything that goes with it. I agree with her 100%!!

[samhass]

Best Mom said "There are neighborhoods who have no pools, no parties, unfriendly reputation and a ton of traffic. That is why it is so good to rent and go to the different villages(talk to people) and get a feel for what meets your needs. Plus don't trust everything your real estate agent tells you. "

Which neighborhoods are those? I am curious and I'm sure prospective buyers are as well.

Originally Posted by samhass

Tal, This is Peachie's exact quote "Best Mom, do not send private messages to me regarding your impressions of the mental health or personalities of other posters. I am only interested in The Villages in this forum and have NO interest in that type of dialogue."
At no point did Peachie mention the phrase "mentally ill". Even if she had, there is no way anyone would have misconstrued that to think she was referring to you. We all think you are an attribute to this board. You are highly regarded here, dear Tal. Further, Peachie is very erudite. Her writing is forthright. I feel no hidden agendas with her posts. She says what she means and means what she says. I, too, hope to meet her. Peachie, I think you are the bomb!

Agree that Peachie is erudite, Samhass. ;D

I did come onto TOTV with an agenda of my survivors' rights to information campaign but I do not think I have overdone it like I did quite a bit on Findlaw's message boards and while trying to get a foot in the door into public librarianship employment in the Tampa Bay area from 2000 through 2003. Many of the Tampa Bay area public libraries as well as the law libraries STILL do not , the last I checked, have a link to the FL Victim Services Directory. http://myfloridalegal.com/directory

Do hope to see Peachie at one of the Crispers' meetings or somewhere else here in TV.

I do think that some Villagers are also quite involved with improving their community whatever the opinions of Blechman and others like Hugh Bartling's article might imply. http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/sec...dontcount=true

[Peachie]

I'm back from the dentist and catching up before on to laundry. I don't know that I'm erudite, (Sam, we may have to get you blacker coffee in the morning ;D), but, Tal, you are a wealth of info and along with so many others, make the forum worthwhile.

Mr. Peachie and I are working snowbirds, (or golfbats), and are not fulltime residents of Florida yet. But discussions between the two of us are ongoing and we are seriously contemplating that option soon and that explains our intense interest in the happenings and management of The Villages. If we opt to go fulltime in Florida, we would then want to consider larger accommodations vs the villa. But we have made great strides downsizing and really like free time vs, (in George Carlin's word's), "stuff". Ooops, wrong thread for this paragraph...

I hope to meet everyone at Crispers meeting in the future, Tal. When the first opportunity comes along, I'll be there!

[renielarson]

I am so sorry this is soooooo long, but I have to clear my brain....

DISCLAIMER: What is furthermore stated must be viewed with an open mind. I am not saying I agree with what I'm about to write but admit it's part of the jumbled up thoughts I'm trying to sort in my head right now. I'm opening these thoughts up for discussion with hopes of enlightenment from more learned TOTVers.

I believe in checks and balances. Doing extensive reading today about the CDD's has got me thinking. Right now the Central CDD's are tyrannical (by strict definition of the word) because they are controlled (owned?) by one person, the developer. The Central CDD owns all of the rec centers and all Executive golf courses and makes all decisions (without residential input) regarding these locations. Am I correct? Now, if I'm wrong, please educate me. Remember, I'm thinking out loud as I type so bear with me. Plus, I just read up on all this today so I'm a newbie trying to sort all this out.

The local residential CDD's are slowly being turned over to the residents as they are completed. The people who run these will be decided among the local residents residing within their local residential CDD? Am I correct?

I know we had no power with decision making regarding the CDD's, however, I think it would be a better idea to run them like our state governments with checks and balances. Let me explain. Local residential CDD's would be owned and run by people who live in their own local CDD (like the House of Representatives). They would represent the local residents only. The Central CDD's would be owned and run by anyone who lives in any Village within The Villages (like the Senate). They would represent ALL residents.

My brain says that local residential CDD's should be focused on the local residents while the Central CDD's should be focused on the good of all Villagers. Am I way out in left field?

Now, I also have to admit I've been thinking a lot about the POA. It definitely carries a negative image because it's trying to be a checks and balances organization. However, it appears to me from all my reading today, that perhaps the POA was backed into a corner because of the lack of cooperation from Mr. Schwartz at the get go that continues with Mr. Morse today. Do I need enlightenment with these thoughts? If so, I only ask that you be patient with me and explain with civility.

Please don't attack me...remember, I'm trying to sort all this out in my head and am asking for your help. I honestly think if I were Mr. Schwartz and Mr. Morse I would dig my heels in too if a group of people were going against a dream and a plan I had in mind. I know I don't take adversity very well myself when it comes to someone not agreeing with a "great" idea I'm sure I have.

Nevertheless, I keep thinking if only the POA would approach their issues differently. I think it was Peachie (but I could be wrong) who posted a while back about wording posts differently because it's not what we say but how we say it. Great words of advice not only for posters (me included) but the POA also. The POA could be a good voice for residents if only...

Ok, here my brain goes into mumble jumble again as I continue to think about the POA and the VHA. Both have residents' interests first and foremost. However, the POA coins itself as the "watchdog." The VHA coins itself as a facilitator of communications. Knowing I will be pounced upon although I hope not cause I'm really trying to sort this out, I must say that negativity stares me in the face with my initial reading of mission statements.

I think I'll stop here because I'm looking for your comments and views and anything else you want to say. I may have opened a can of worms and if so, let me apologize now.