[Babubhat]

And they don’t care what you want. It’s take it or leave it. Need to shop online. Out of state if necessary. Demand a printed contract before setting foot in the dealership. It’s a bit of work. Or go to Carvana

[RobertScott]

These doc fees or dealer fees from brick and mortar dealers are repulsive, we bought a car from Caravana right after we moved down here, none of those nonsense fees, dropped off right at our house in The Villages, and we are very happy with the car.

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by Babubhat

It’s take it or leave it.

All of us experienced car buyers agree with you and that is why we enjoy the car buying experience.

We offer the dealer an out-the-door price for a car.

If we hear a Yes, then we give them the money and drive the new car home.

If we do not hear a Yes, we leave.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Jenkins Toyota last year said we cannot meet the price you are looking for and have gotten from another dealer but why not come down and look at what we have on our lot.
Told him that seem like a colossal waste of time so he just repeated his suggestion at which I said bye.

Far from an expert. It seems that today people feel like it is a good deal to pay only a little above MSRP-manufatcturers suggested RETAIL price. I've not bought a car in years. I know supplies are tight BUT you used to look up dealer's cost and offer 125-150 above that. Dealer's cost is not what the dealer pays for the car. There is something called a CALL BACK. When the car is sold the manufaturer pays the dealer 6-8% so dealer's cost LESS 6-8% is the dealer's real NET COST. When, a dealer finds a car for you at another dealer the other dealer will keep all or part of the call back.

GLAD I DO NOT NEED TO BUY A CAR.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by Battlebasset

I found a 2013 Buick Encore at Jenkins Leesburg Volkswagen:

2013 Encore Leather

$16,900 Price Details
Leesburg VW Price (excl. taxes & fees)

Mileage: 43,480

OK, reasonable deal, so I dig deeper into the website:

Pay Cash - $22,921

Wow. $6,021 more. I understand taxes, registration, etc. But here's their breakdown:

Registration & Fees include $492.40 DMV fee , $999.00 documentation fee , $349.95 electronic filing fee and $2,863.00 Jenkins Value Package. Total $4704? That's not $6,021 for starters.

So I get the first three, although that documentation fee seems high. But the "Jenkins Value Package"? So I call, and I'm given the explanation of "Well, other dealers just call it mark up, but we give you something for it" Ok, like what?

"Floor mats, pinstriping, and a 130 point inspection" My response: "So you weren't inspecting your used cars before? You just took them on trade-in, and put them on the lot? I might as well buy from a private party and take my chances, at least I'll save money for the repairs". Mumble, Mumble. I say thank you and hang up.

Look, I get it. Cars are in short supply, so prices are elevated. No issue with that. What the market will bear, right?

But to advertise a price that is $4180 (value package plus the extra markup before taxes and fees) less that what you actually want to sell it for is dishonest. If your start price you want is $21,080, advertise it upfront that way. Then I can decide if I want to come out and look at it, with the knowledge that is what you want, and I'm probably going to have to pay that price if I want it.

Jenkins, the market will change at some point to more like what it was. But my memory won't change.

Here's the link to the vehicle in you want to confirm my numbers, for as long as the post is active.

Pre-Owned Buick Encore for sale in Leesburg

Hanging onto the old one a bit longer, and looking on TOTV for my next one from a private party.

I have had great experiences with Carvana.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by RobertScott

These doc fees or dealer fees from brick and mortar dealers are repulsive, we bought a car from Caravana right after we moved down here, none of those nonsense fees, dropped off right at our house in The Villages, and we are very happy with the car.

You don't need to buy a vehicle from Carvana to avoid the doc fees and dealer fees. I just refuse to pay them.