[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by canyonblue

Oh for the love of God! Getting Covid and death from Covid are two seperate things. In the state of Florida 384,342 people between the ages of 25-44 have tested positive for Covid. Of that number 452 have died. That's about 0.001 percent of the positive cases. So yeah, I could believe that 0.001 had underlying conditions. And yeah, I believe it is real and it is highly contagious. Just not a death sentence for a majority of the population.

I posted that too quickly. I had a prior post about the same thing. Please take away what I wrote - "getting it" and substitute "DYING of CV" and what I wrote will be accurate. Thanks for the correction.

[riley2011]

So very sorry!

[Barborv]

Several of my friends and acquaintances lost a loved one due to Covid.The people that died were above the age of 70 as far as I know . I work in a High school in Long Island , and I can't tell you how many staff and students are testing positive. I had two very close co-workers test positive and I had to get tested. I am actually on quarantine right now. I had a rapid test 5 days after being in contact with this last co-worker. We were both wearing our masks of course, but I was deemed a close contact. The district nurse told me to still quarantine in my home, stay away from family members in the house and wear a mask when near them. I am sleeping and staying in the spare room for another week even though I had a negative rapid test result yesterday.Actually it's nice having the bed to myself! LOL I haven't had my own room in over 35 years! From my friends, co-workers and relatives, a few of those people had it EXTREMELY BAD. My one friend said she thought she was going to die. It was very scary. She lost a lot of hair and now will have medical concerns moving forward. A few of my friends and relatives had mild to moderate symptoms and one or two of them no symptoms. And get this, my 94 year old aunt who lives in an assisted living facility in Cleveland Ohio, was asymptomatic. So go figure. Our friends daughter is a doctor and she was working the Covid floors in a Queens hospital back when the pandemic started and she said they were stacking body bags in the back of the hospital because they were overloaded. When I see people out and about mingling with friends and family with no care in the world, All I can do is scratch my head in disbelief.

[drbobw]

[QUOTE=Toymeister;1874307]OP are you from New York?

I am not. I know of no one directly or friends of them who has perished from covid, had it or tested positive

Dear tyomeister

Two of my friends are positive and very sick. My daughter in law is an ER doctor at Stamford and sees plenty of sick and dying people every day. Just because you haven't met or know anyone, doesn't mean it isn't so! But thank you for your opinion

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I believe that the virus is real and dangerous. That said, I also believe that ALL the information and opinions on this thread are valid.
For instance, just about everyone knows someone that has died supposedly of the virus. I know of two that probably would have passed anyway, but died WITH the virus. I believe that there are as many false positive tests results as valid ones. I also believe that every time some is re-tested, it is counted as a new infection if it comes back positive. And some folks that receive positive results go back several times for testing until they get a negative result so that they can go back to work, etc. I am not discounting the validity of the virus, just the accuracy of the test. Apparently, the test is run up to 40 times before they consider it finished and valid, depending on how many times they have to run it to get a positive. If they run it 20 times and get a positive result, they are satisfied. If they run it 39 times before getting a positive, they are satisfied. If they run it 40 times or whatever limit they put on it, and get a negative result, then that is what is documented. The test was not conceived originally for this type of use. I am basing this on a couple of writings I have read, and I am not even close to being an expert. If this is true, then we may have hundreds of thousands that show a false positive. We also have many, many folks being counted several times as new infected.
That said, I wonder how many folks have been infected and will never know it because they have never had symptoms and have not been tested.
Example: when this first started, and before the mask wearing practice, I was at the hospital when they had their FIRST infected patient. I was sitting next to her for between 20 to 30 minutes, no masks being worn. She was admitted and hospitalized, and I waited in the waiting room for the person I transported to the hospital to be released. Never thinking more about it until much later, I wondered why I had not become infected or if I might have and not known it. Of course, I never bothered to be tested because I did not have any symptoms and did not see any reason to get tested. No one around me, family or friends or neighbors have become infected. I will mention that I know two that supposedly died WITH Covid. Neither of them have I seen in decades, so I had no contact with them when/if they were infected.
I take the virus seriously, but I do not live in hysteria and panic. Does that make me irresponsible? Maybe I do not worry so much about it because I have never had the Flu and I haven't suffered even a mild cold in at least over a decade. Do I take precautions to prevent my carrying it IF in contact when I go out shopping or to a restaurant? Yes. I am careful, but like everything else in moderation. I do not consider everyone around me to be infected. I do wash my hands frequently during the day, but I have been like this for many years, due to my travels. I social distance, but I have always practiced that. When this first started, I wore gloves, mask and eye protection, as well as long sleeved shirt. I used hand sanitizer consistently. Now, I only wear a mask when in a business, but not in a restaurant. I have adjusted to the information that I have accumulated over the year and have modified my behavior according to my pragmatism. I do not suggest that others do what I do and I do not criticize those that are more cautious than myself. I firmly believe that I have a high immunity system. Perhaps, I have achieved this immunity from all the traveling to third world countries.
Do what you must to stay safe and I will not disparage you. However, disparaging someone about their belief is a two edged sword. When you claim that someone is selfish, are you not thinking of yourself at the time? Like they say, when you point at someone, you have more fingers pointing back at you from the same pointing hand.

To me, social distancing means I will not dine with anyone with the exception of my husband at a restaurant indoors or outdoors. Sitting across from someone at a restaurant table and certainly next to someone is too close. Social distancing means to me not to sit next to anyone but my husband where we are shoulder to shoulder. That could be in a theater, standing on the street watching a parade, sitting in a pew in church, standing on line in a store, chatting with someone at arm's distance, etc., etc. etc. That was normal life for me and many others. Are you saying you were never in close proximity to others in these ways or plenty of other ways that normal life brings us on a daily basis? Just wondering.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by willis100

I have covid19 right now. Tested positive Friday morning after some fever Wed. and Thur night. Though I am diabetic and take blood pressure and cholesterol meds, I am a healthy 66-year-old man. Being quarantined here in my house (I live alone) has been ok as I have gotten caught up on things that needed to be done. I thank God that it has been a mild case so far and pray for others not as fortunate.

I don't mean to sound crass but if you consider yourself "healthy" with hypertension, hyperlipidemia and diabetes, what do you call someone who has absolutely no diseases? I hope you have a quick and easy recovery from Covid.

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by canyonblue

For 383,890 it was 100% survivable! See what i did there? Yeah I know the number one cause of death is dying.

Yes, I see what you did there and you should be very proud of yourself. My point was, and is, that those people that died are human beings, not some abstract number for people to twist to suit their needs. More than 300,000 people have died in the US and while many may have died from other factors, many would likely have lived for years. The lack of empathy and the hard hearted responses to the human suffering and the suffering of their families is very sad and troubling.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That's fortunate for some people. BUT - The US nationwide is setting records for cases - 240,000 in ONE day. Also a record for one-day deaths - 3600. And for hospitalizations. CV cases are going up, not down in the US, not so much in other 1st world countries. The vaccines MAY (?) save us, but we were late to take moderation steps and take CV as seriously as needed. It is raging nationwide and the vaccines could be too little - too late!

With Covid "raging nationwide", doesn't that help to progress our country to herd immunity, although the unsafe way to achieve it? Together with the vaccines which are the safe way to achieve herd immunity, I would not consider that it is "too little too late" for us, as a country, to have the ability to come out the victor in this war with the virus.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

With Covid "raging nationwide", doesn't that help to progress our country to herd immunity, although the unsafe way to achieve it? Together with the vaccines which are the safe way to achieve herd immunity, I would not consider that it is "too little too late" for us, as a country, to have the ability to come out the victor in this war with the virus.

I was comparing the US to other 1st world countries. They started taking it seriously right away - we did not. They have already slowed it down to just a slight nuisance - with us it is a raging inferno. The US loses more people to CV in an hour than Canada does in a week (on a per capita basis). I hope it is NOT a "too little. too late " situation, but it is possible and unnecessary. The range of predictions for US deaths is as high as 700,000 for 2021 - even with the vaccines. I can NOT be optimistic when the US has ALREADY failed. You do not get a vaccine that can bring BACK lives. So, it is logical to be pessimistic!

[Nancysacks]

So sorry about your tragic losses.

[pauld315]

I don't know anybody who has even been diagnosed positive

[Cheapbas]

Originally Posted by La lamy

I know many people in The Villages who had it but seem to be fine now. One case that scared me is Tool's frontman Maynard Keenan (age 56, like me) who got it on tour in February and is still experiencing painful arthritis and lung damage months after the fact. Like the analogy of the jelly beans, you can't fully know how bad it may hit you. Better safe than sorry in my book.

There’s actually 2 people in the villages that likes Tool!

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by gbs317

Vaccines to prevent the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) are perhaps the best hope for ending the pandemic. ....Mayo Clinic
Your statement about birth defects was driving me nuts so I’m looking all over medical websites and found none stating that the vaccine might or will cause birth defects. I did find lots of uninformed social media info stating the vaccine is bad and the cure is worse than the disease.
So I guess it’s who you want to believe... Well educated trained professionals or social media hacks.

I guess it also on what you call trained professionals.......the left doctors or the right doctors, the big pharm (making billions), the left scientists or the right scientist my point is the so called professional really mess this up they decided to take sides.....FYI there is not way in h____ I would touch that vaccine. We have ZERO studies to know the short or long term effects from it and sure do not trust big pharm in any way just more dollars in their pockets. And no I don’t get the flu shot either. Remember this the virus has multiple strands (just like the flu) are you sure the vaccine covers all strain my doctor says No, so good luck to all who get the vaccine

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I was comparing the US to other 1st world countries. They started taking it seriously right away - we did not. They have already slowed it down to just a slight nuisance - with us it is a raging inferno. The US loses more people to CV in an hour than Canada does in a week (on a per capita basis). I hope it is NOT a "too little. too late " situation, but it is possible and unnecessary. The range of predictions for US deaths is as high as 700,000 for 2020 - even with the vaccines. I can NOT be optimistic when the US has ALREADY failed. You do not get a vaccine that can bring BACK lives. So, it is logical to be pessimistic!

What 1st world nation did you compare with because I have done the same and I don’t have the same findings as you. Remember when we wanted to close the Borders and stop flights we were call racist. I am over people with false info and false numbers saying we some how we could have stopped this ......listen up IT’S A WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC. Look at the top populous countries (except for China because we all know their numbers are a lie) in world and you will see we are right in line with them.

[DrBrutyle109]

Oh no