[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by EPutnam1863

As of yesterday (March 8, 2017), the plaintiffs filed a motion to extend the deadline from March 10 to March 24 to file bill of costs, etc. against the defendants. They discussed this with the defendants, but the defendants refused to agree to the extension of the deadline.

Are YOU eputnam in any way affiliated with the folks who brought suit?

Just curious.

[graciegirl]

Sometimes the laws we Americans write or allow to be kind and fair to ALL people go too far. We can't fix all of the wrongs in this world, all of the accidents, all of the unfortunate situations and in trying to fix most of them we get into snafu's. We can't build counter top heights in public restrooms for people with Marfans Syndrome and/or Dwarfism. We can't have sensitivity training toward all people who have had to have stoma. We can't. I could go on and on. Sometimes people with disabilities take advantage of the very laws that have been put in place to help them.

You cannot legislate morality or common sense and nefarious people can and do take advantage of laws put in place to help those who have difficulties. There is a very hot place in hell for this kind of thing in my humble opinion. It took me about eight decades to figure out the right questions and I don't seem to be getting the right answers to any of them. OR ANY answers to most of them.

[EPutnam1863]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Are YOU eputnam in any way affiliated with the folks who brought suit?

Just curious.

Yes and no. I personally know some of the plaintiffs, but I do not live in Florida. I got interested in the case because we are having similar problems up here where I live.

I am in favor of the suit but wish a more facilitative advocacy rather than an adversarial advocacy were employed.

I subscribe to Pace Monitor so I can follow the case and other disability rights cases.

I decided to participate in this thread and another because I am bothered by all the misconceptions.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Sometimes the laws we Americans write or allow to be kind and fair to ALL people go too far. We can't fix all of the wrongs in this world, all of the accidents, all of the unfortunate situations and in trying to fix most of them we get into snafu's. We can't build counter top heights in public restrooms for people with Marfans Syndrome and/or Dwarfism. We can't have sensitivity training toward all people who have had to have stoma. We can't. I could go on and on. Sometimes people with disabilities take advantage of the very laws that have been put in place to help them.

You cannot legislate morality or common sense and nefarious people can and do take advantage of laws put in place to help those who have difficulties. There is a very hot place in hell for this kind of thing in my humble opinion. It took me about eight decades to figure out the right questions and I don't seem to be getting the right answers to any of them. OR ANY answers to most of them.

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by rubicon

EPutnam: the majority as reflected on this site seem to be enamored with the developer and anything"even remotely connected to "the villages". Why? A developer by any other name is a corporation that is going to get as much from you as the traffic will bear and at the least possible costs. In this case the residents pay all the bills to put this place on the map and they paid dearly.

I am not an attorney but for many years,on any given day I oversaw hundreds of lawsuits across the country.
I explained on these pages early on that LLC was in violation of federal laws and they would have been wise to strike an immediate compromise.

Some posters are dismissive of the award to the plaintiffs but the facts are that they won this lawsuit.

What concerns me is that The Villages (Developers) lawyers have been very cavalier with our money and the costs of defense for this case must be staggering.

It then begs the question exactly how should the amenity fees be defined and thus applied?

One poster claimed the definition was to cover comfort, convenience and passion? My rebuttal was then a resident could claim convenience, comfort and passion for a call girl and the amenities fees would cover it.

On a serious note lawsuits keep popping up here and they are a result of the (The Villages Lake-Sumter, Inc, (TVLSI) ( the Developer's) decisions but the TVLSI shifts the burden on residents.

There is not one organization here that has the guts and the know how to face up to this entity.

I just hope that if the district does continue LLC it does so in such a manner that residents are not caught up applying amenities fees to them in any way and that the legalities of this operation are separated and independent of residents being financially obligated.

It has been my understanding that compromises were offered for the last 8 years, non of which was acceptable to these plaintiffs. Persons capable of signing were offered, but because they were not CERTIFIED signers, were rejected. My question is: How do these same people making these demands get along in everyday life without Certified Interpreters? It was not like these courses were going to impact their lives to the point of interfering with their ability to make a living or obtain Masters or Doctorate Degrees.

Turn on the closed captioning of your TV and see how accurate/inaccurate it is. It is not perfect, but you can usually understand and follow the spoken words. The same type of technology was tried in the LLC, but because it was not perfect, was rejected. Even written material supplied specifically for them was not acceptable.

I was in the doctor's office the other day where a deaf couple was there. To my knowledge, the office does not offer Certified Interpreters. There was no one else with them, so how does that play out for them?

Just my take on the whole thing. I understand they have a problem. So does one of our grandsons, but does well without special accommodations.

As for the amenity fees being used to settle the lawsuit, why would they? Amenity fees did not support the LLC in the first place. That was never included in our amenities. LLC was open to anyone, I believe. If so, then the amenity fees could not apply to settlement of the suit.

[EnglishJW]

Originally Posted by EPutnam1863

Yes and no. I personally know some of the plaintiffs, but I do not live in Florida. I got interested in the case because we are having similar problems up here where I live.

I am in favor of the suit but wish a more facilitative advocacy rather than an adversarial advocacy were employed.

I subscribe to Pace Monitor so I can follow the case and other disability rights cases.

I decided to participate in this thread and another because I am bothered by all the misconceptions.

You only participate in this group for this single topic?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by dillywho

I was in the doctor's office the other day where a deaf couple was there. To my knowledge, the office does not offer Certified Interpreters. There was no one else with them, so how does that play out for them?

Just my take on the whole thing. I understand they have a problem. So does one of our grandsons, but does well without special accommodations.

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Actually, the doctor's office is REQUIRED by ADA to offer an ASL interpreter. I had one totally deaf patient for 30 years, very nice woman. Office fee was usually $70, interpreter including travel time was $200. Seems unfair, but childless couples pay school taxes, law abiding citizens pay for prisons, and your cell phone bill has a surcharge for people who DON'T pay their bill. Sometimes life isn't fair, but I wouldn't want to trade places with her.

[jojo]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Sometimes the laws we Americans write or allow to be kind and fair to ALL people go too far. We can't fix all of the wrongs in this world, all of the accidents, all of the unfortunate situations and in trying to fix most of them we get into snafu's. We can't build counter top heights in public restrooms for people with Marfans Syndrome and/or Dwarfism. We can't have sensitivity training toward all people who have had to have stoma. We can't. I could go on and on. Sometimes people with disabilities take advantage of the very laws that have been put in place to help them.

You cannot legislate morality or common sense and nefarious people can and do take advantage of laws put in place to help those who have difficulties. There is a very hot place in hell for this kind of thing in my humble opinion. It took me about eight decades to figure out the right questions and I don't seem to be getting the right answers to any of them. OR ANY answers to most of them.

If there were a "like" button, this would get pushed several times over. Amen.

[EPutnam1863]

Latest update from Pace Monitor:

Thursday, March 09, 2017
412 New ORDER: Plaintiffs' Motion to Extend Time (Doc. 411 ) is Granted in part. Plaintiffs' Bill of Costs and Motion for Attorneys' Fees are to be filed by March 21, 2017 at 5:00 p.m. Defendant's responses are due by April 25, 2017 at 5:00 p.m. Issued by Judge George Caram Steeh, III on 3/9/2017. (JLC)

[DeanFL]

Yikes!

Over 100,000 views to this Thread. That's eyeballs from about every man, woman, child in TV. Must be close to a record...

Maybe if I'm ever really really really bored to death, I review each of the 879 responses... or start War and Peace.

[EPutnam1863]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Actually, the doctor's office is REQUIRED by ADA to offer an ASL interpreter. I had one totally deaf patient for 30 years, very nice woman. Office fee was usually $70, interpreter including travel time was $200. Seems unfair, but childless couples pay school taxes, law abiding citizens pay for prisons, and your cell phone bill has a surcharge for people who DON'T pay their bill. Sometimes life isn't fair, but I wouldn't want to trade places with her.

I have been profoundly deaf since birth so I can speak with credibility.

This is one misconception most common ...all deafies are the same which is most certainly not true at all.

Some can speak, some cannot. Some can lip-read, some cannot. Some are educated, some are not. Some can benefit from hearing aids or cochlear implants, some cannot. Some are nice, some are not. Some have excellent coping skills, some do not. We come in all kinds, shapes, forms, and degrees just as you do.

Because I had interpreting services, I was able to obtain a paralegal certificate with all As and was a tax producer for years until I retired. Better this than be a tax consumer, uh?

I myself do not need an interpreter when I have routine medical appointments because I know what to expect. However if I have a medical situation with which I am totally unfamiliar, then I do need interpreting services so there won't be any misunderstandings. Medical service personnel appreciate this because they certainly do not want to be sued if something goes wrong.

I can hardly wait for the day when technology has improved to the point that we won't need to be so dependent on interpreting services anymore. But until then, we are crippled by this need.

[EPutnam1863]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Don't faint, but I think this was a very good post.

Yup, very good post!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by EPutnam1863

I have been profoundly deaf since birth so I can speak with credibility.

This is one misconception most common ...all deafies are the same which is most certainly not true at all.

Some can speak, some cannot. Some can lip-read, some cannot. Some are educated, some are not. Some can benefit from hearing aids or cochlear implants, some cannot. Some are nice, some are not. Some have excellent coping skills, some do not. We come in all kinds, shapes, forms, and degrees just as you do.

Because I had interpreting services, I was able to obtain a paralegal certificate with all As and was a tax producer for years until I retired. Better this than be a tax consumer, uh?

I myself do not need an interpreter when I have routine medical appointments because I know what to expect. However if I have a medical situation with which I am totally unfamiliar, then I do need interpreting services so there won't be any misunderstandings. Medical service personnel appreciate this because they certainly do not want to be sued if something goes wrong.

I can hardly wait for the day when technology has improved to the point that we won't need to be so dependent on interpreting services anymore. But until then, we are crippled by this need.

I so agree with this post, but I also wish that there wasn't a subset of "deafies" (if that is the PC term) that weren't militant crusaders and more open to compromise and less open to legal action. The only winners tend to be the lawyers.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Don't faint, but I think this was a very good post.

OMG, did I read that right? Please, someone quick get a thermometer down to Hades and see if it is below 32

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

Yikes!

Over 100,000 views to this Thread. That's eyeballs from about every man, woman, child in TV. Must be close to a record...

Maybe if I'm ever really really really bored to death, I review each of the 879 responses... or start War and Peace.

Go ahead and take the time to read all of the posts and consider it a...Lifelong Learning Experience.