[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

Agree that abandonment of all standards everywhere is erosion of a culture (ours) and not adding quality to our nation. Remember when "nice" restaurants REQUIRED conservative dress ? Remember back in the 70's (wow, a long time ago) when passengers were not only expected, but required to dress in a "semi" formal manner on cruises ? Remember when there were minimum standards for BOTH students and teachers in public schools ? Suppose I would be looked at as "grumpy", non progressive, old person, but I LIKED having minimum standards everywhere... even those places I just chose to avoid because I didn't want to don the required dress ! I really don't think we are doing our (collective)selves any favors moving in this direction. Having said that I support your opinion, the "up north" part ? Seems "up north" covers a lot of territory. How would one know the person is from "down south" (as we are from, south Florida) ?
My guess, just based on temperature, would be those from our former location in south Florida would be MORE inclined to minimum clothing, and those from "up north", MORE inclined to wear clothing with sleeves, collars, etc. etc. Just on opinion !

Great post!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

I doubt she learned ANYTHING, such folks most often are not capable of "learning" because it is in DEEP INNER personality flaw, an ego problem, lack of self-esteem, a NEED to have some POWER in their life. Such folks are everywhere. But, thankfully, most businesses have effective employee training programs that at least help eliminate many of those types, but yes, they "slip" thorough in every business and entity. I do think The Villages has an exceptionally high percentage of such employees (the "I AM in charge here" people). Thinking back to when every pool had monitors, what a stark difference in pool to pool, day to day. No way to keep up on what the rules REALLY were. Again I just say, "roll with it", there is really no choice but... it is SO frustrating. It takes a very mature person to just smile and go on with life. Some will explode when constantly faced with the inconsistency.

It's the "condo-commando" mentality...

One of the main reasons I didn't want to buy a condo on the coasts was because of them. Always in your business, thinking they ran the place because they happened to buy before you did...

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Get away with what?

This is NOT a t-shirt...

The argument for Tiger Woods' mock neck shirt | Golf Equipment: Clubs, Balls, Bags | Golf Digest

[tophcfa]

High class wanna be snotty snobs declare tee shirts as low class. Bring on the t shirts, and cut off the sleeves for good measure just to pi$$ them off.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

Agree that abandonment of all standards everywhere is erosion of a culture (ours) and not adding quality to our nation. Remember when "nice" restaurants REQUIRED conservative dress ? Remember back in the 70's (wow, a long time ago) when passengers were not only expected, but required to dress in a "semi" formal manner on cruises ? Remember when there were minimum standards for BOTH students and teachers in public schools ? Suppose I would be looked at as "grumpy", non progressive, old person, but I LIKED having minimum standards everywhere... even those places I just chose to avoid because I didn't want to don the required dress ! I really don't think we are doing our (collective)selves any favors moving in this direction. Having said that I support your opinion, the "up north" part ? Seems "up north" covers a lot of territory. How would one know the person is from "down south" (as we are from, south Florida) ?
My guess, just based on temperature, would be those from our former location in south Florida would be MORE inclined to minimum clothing, and those from "up north", MORE inclined to wear clothing with sleeves, collars, etc. etc. Just on opinion !

Yes, memories are great. Remember when women weren't allowed to open up their own bank account without their husband's permission? Remember when women were required to wear dresses and pantyhose or stockings to work? Remember when men were expected to be the sole breadwinner in the family and support their wives and children financially, and pay ALL the bills out of his own paycheck? Remember when you had to wash your clothes on rocks? Remember when your bathroom was an outhouse? Remember when it got dark out at night and you had to light a lantern or candle to see in your house, because you didn't have electricity yet?

Not saying I'm for wifebeaters or tee-shirts at the golf course but "because that's how it was when I was younger" is a really lousy reason to not change things.

[Sandy and Ed]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

No argument that those are the rules, my question was the rationale for the rules. My insinuation was that the rules had much less to do with the game than with the feelings of those who would be offended that someone dare to suggest a change to the rules.

Perhaps to prevent the courses from becoming circuses of clowns dressed in tutus, cut off jeans at crotch level, bare midriff sleeveless shirts, and any other Ridiculous combinations of attire. Social order has been destroyed outside The Villages. Why not let it exist a little longer here? It’s a small thing. Let it pass or go back north.

[La lamy]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Since Denim attire is allowed does that include jeans?

Yes. Bizarre, but true. You can thank one of the TV founders for his jeans preference.

[Harold.wiser]

I agree with the collared shirt rule. You wanna wear a t-shirt, go play somewhere else.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

The argument for Tiger Woods' mock neck shirt | Golf Equipment: Clubs, Balls, Bags | Golf Digest

From the article:

Now, Woods and these players all have one major theme in common. Any style risk can be deemed successful, if you have the game to back it up. You can't make too much fun of the guy holding the trophy, when your hands are empty.

So rather than go to the PWAC, AAC, VCDD, or SLCDD to have the rules relaxed what the gentleman needs to do is find one of the "Family" or champion golfer to support his idea. If that approach can make denim or mock turtlenecks suddenly appropriate than it can make his choice appropriate too (without the total destruction of social order).

[Get real]

Four pages of this crap over a t shirt....jeez.

[WingedFoot78]

No one has suggested a clothing optional course in TV. Oh, god, the thought...........

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Since Denim attire is allowed does that include jeans?

Apparently, jeans are OK at our "Country Clubs". There was a picture in yesterday's paper of a guy who made an ace on one of the "Clubs" and we was wearing some well-worn Levis. In our off-campus group one of our players showed up in jeans and had to buy a pair of rain pants to cover them up because denim ain't allowed. And this was just a golf course, not a "Country Club".

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

A couple years back we played exec golf with another couple. At the Starter, we checked in and she looked at the other guy and said “you’re not appropriately dressed!”

He’s a quiet type of guy and I said What, why???

She said his shirt had no collar. I replied it’s a Henley. She was adamant. I’ll let him play this time but be warned!

I asked her to come out to look at the men’s guidelines pictures on the notice right at the shack window. She sad no. But I was bound to educate her. She finally came out, saw the picture and went back in saying nothing.

She never announced for us to go to the line, we did on our own. Hopefully she learned…

People don't understand that a "collared shirt" means no tank tops, which don't have collars. I have several PGA brand shirts that are "collarless". Gary Player player played much of his career in "collarless" shirts.

[Ele201]

Originally Posted by RICH1

and the next thing it will be “wife beater” tank tops …please support the collared shirt and the Rules…When they go low, we go high

Just want to say avoid the term “low class.” It’s outdated and just stirs the pot. It also might be a trigger for some.

[Mrmean58]

Originally Posted by RICH1

and the next thing it will be “wife beater” tank tops …please support the collared shirt and the Rules…When they go low, we go high

Or they have paint splatters, political slogans, graphic images. No thank you on the t shirts. We already had residents who wanted to wear pajama bottoms to golf on the recent cold mornings.