[Greg Nelson]

packed in..more to come!

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by Nucky

I'm not buying in The Villages to make money. If I do then that's fine. We are coming there to live our life. If this new development was a prison or something similarly bad to live near then I would change up the plan. Life is for living. Were coming anyway and to hell with whatever they build. Just doesn't sound that bad to me. I'm thinking it's possible you never have been to the bubble. If it burst's and I go down...which I doubt greatly at least I'll go down in the lap of luxury. It's The Villages...It's All Good.

Would you have that same attitude if it was in your immediate backyard?

[JoMar]

Don't have to be over 55 to buy, 80% are supposed to over 55 to reside and I think that does apply to resales inside the dome.. As far as Tradewinds, the commercial properties will love it. The squares, the restaurants (including Country Clubs) the bars and and the Sharon and Savannah Center might sell out faster but the other amenities shouldn't see much of an impact. What's another couple thousand folks going to matter in the scheme of things.

[The Buckeyes]

Originally Posted by Nucky

I'm not buying in The Villages to make money. If I do then that's fine. We are coming there to live our life. If this new development was a prison or something similarly bad to live near then I would change up the plan. Life is for living. Were coming anyway and to hell with whatever they build. Just doesn't sound that bad to me. I'm thinking it's possible you never have been to the bubble. If it burst's and I go down...which I doubt greatly at least I'll go down in the lap of luxury. It's The Villages...It's All Good.

First of all I said nothing about making money. Second, we built a home in The Village of Pinellas almost 3 yrs ago so, that blows your theory about never being to the bubble and third, if you read my statement I mentioned that with the Villages developer you at least know what your getting. Evidently you may have never lived in an inner ring suburb of a major city and watched it go to pure hell with the clientele that started to move in and around it.

[villagetinker]

ALL,
Remember, we are living in paradise, and we do and can have some differences of opinions, can we keep this away from personal attacks.
Now we have not even seen plans for this development, so all of this is speculation (and probably wrong). IMHO, the developer of this site is going to want to make some money on their investment, so I expect anything being built will be upper end, with rentals to match (my guess). While I completely understand developments going downhill (I came from the Philadelphia and Allentown areas), I am hoping the developers understand the location of this development, and build to appropriate levels.
Once the plans are made public, there will be lots more interesting questions, like golf cart access, GC crossing 466a in this area, or Powell/462, and impact on the current rental model for homes in TV.
Please do not shoot the messenger.

[Nucky]

Villagetinker, personal attacks...I get your point and if you knew me I don't operate like that or I try not to. My goal in life is to be informed and live peacefully. The battle is over for me and most of us. Stressful career, raising children, taking care of parents, all the things that compromise a person's life, the last thing I'm going to do is care heavily about someone's money situation or reason for hurring or delaying the move to Florida. That's why I said.."I am not buying to make money". I being the key word. During my investigatory time in TV I noticed massive amounts of open, stunningly beautiful space in the surrounding area. I instinctively used my thought process and imagined that the property I may purchase was once like these open spaces and that the open spaces that are still available may be developed one day. Just a thought for me that if I was lucky enough to own a home in any area of TV already that the possibility of the future expansion of any local development would not keep me from moving quickly to TV. I live in what was a middle class area of NJ about a half hour outside of Manhattan. I understand fully about an area going thru changes because people who are not exactly like me are moving in. So many of my neighbors are stressed out because they want things to stay like the old days. That is not going to happen. The ethnic group taking over our area is very different but has many very strong points. The most important ones being respect for their neighbors and for the older people in the family structure. The best I can do is live my little life and not tell others how to live theirs. I have no theory on your thoughts or actions at all. I'm sorry you took my thoughts personally as they are not that important. The Buckeyes..no personal attack before or now. Our best to you and yours.

[rubicon]

Change is constant. Some changes are good some not. I accept that is the human experience. But it is also the human experience that humans respond differently to change.

I suppose as to the topic of this thread one has to determine why s/he sold a home north or perhaps south of here in order to settle in The Villages full or part time ?

To some extent the purchase of a home here was for investment either because the individual had a plan to step stone homes as the expansion moved southward or perhaps just to increase the estate. Perhaps part time to get away from the bad weather but eventually to sell when traveling to and fro became burdensome. Weather and taxes had to be a consideration.

Those of us that moved from big metropolitan areas wanted to also escape the traffic and congestion. Well that was short lived and it was predictable with the sizable baby boomer population retiring and all that would be needed to accommodate retirees

I didn't move to move because I did enough moving during my working years. It was nice for me while it lasted but it didn't last very long and so with crowding will come all that's good and all that's bad and the best one can do is grin and bear it. However, their is no getting away from the fact that it alters the concept of paradise .

Cést la vie

[Nucky]

Rubicon. Well said and agreed. Thank You.

[villagetinker]

Yes, change is constant. When we purchased our home up North, 3 sides of the development were corn or soybean fields, with a nice mall type shopping center on the 4th side. New mall owners decided that mall with indoor walkways were not good, converted to a strip mall (some much fun in the winter,,,,) then the developers bought the land around the original development (425 houses), and added over 1500 dwelling units, just one small field left. Just before we left, there was talk of big box stores moving in near by, now I see in the news that they are being built. So yes change is constant, lets just hope the change is positive and not negative, for the majority of the people.

[champion6]

Originally Posted by drcar

As posted in the online paper!

"This development on 153.6 acres by WholeLife Properties of Dallas would include 1,298 residential dwelling units, including apartments and townhouses, 174,240 square feet of institutional use and 544,500 square feet of retail space."

I do have to laugh, people opposed the villages going in here because we have enough, homes, traffic and people. According to the online paper, " Last spring, The Villages proposed building more than 700 homes and support facilities on the Trailwinds property." Now we are looking at " This development on 153.6 acres by WholeLife Properties of Dallas would include 1,298 residential dwelling units, including apartments and townhouses" and " A revised plan for the separate Trailwinds development to the east on 131.5 acres calls for 296 homes". HMMMMMM, apartments and townhouses!!!!! Anyone want to guess what this will bring? At least with the villages, we knew we were getting 55 and over residents, but now?????

This new development will be reviewed by the Wildwood Planning and Zoning Board on Dec. 1. Attached is a page from the meeting agenda which shows the development which Wholelife proposes to build.

I don't know where the online newspaper got its numbers for homes, apartments and commercial. They appear to be grossly overstated.

If you enlarge the view of the attachment and look at the table, you will see: 400 residential single family, 300 residential apartments, 234,886 sq. ft. commercial, and 86,120 sq. ft. institutional.

Regarding the question, "guess what this will bring?" Look at Wholelife Companies, Inc -- wholelife-companies They appear to focus on the mature residents and appear to construct beautiful properties. For example the attachment shows that the proposed project will include a club house, courts for tennis, pickleball, bocce and croquet, an outside swimming pool and an inside lap pool.

[Mleeja]

As stated by other posters, we will just have to wait and see the plans for the development. I still think there is some "politics" involved between the city of Wildwood and the developers of TV. If Wildwood had approved the TV's plans, they could have has all the additioinal tax revenue without adding much to their infrastructure, but no control over the development. Maybe with this development, Wildwood will have a larger say in the design and plans.

I forsee lots of arguements and comments about allowing access to TV amenities and facilities. For example. will this new development have golf cart access to The Villages? My first answer is "no". Thoughts?

[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by Nucky

Villagetinker, personal attacks...I get your point and if you knew me I don't operate like that or I try not to. My goal in life is to be informed and live peacefully. The battle is over for me and most of us. Stressful career, raising children, taking care of parents, all the things that compromise a person's life, the last thing I'm going to do is care heavily about someone's money situation or reason for hurring or delaying the move to Florida. That's why I said.."I am not buying to make money". I being the key word. During my investigatory time in TV I noticed massive amounts of open, stunningly beautiful space in the surrounding area. I instinctively used my thought process and imagined that the property I may purchase was once like these open spaces and that the open spaces that are still available may be developed one day. Just a thought for me that if I was lucky enough to own a home in any area of TV already that the possibility of the future expansion of any local development would not keep me from moving quickly to TV. I live in what was a middle class area of NJ about a half hour outside of Manhattan. I understand fully about an area going thru changes because people who are not exactly like me are moving in. So many of my neighbors are stressed out because they want things to stay like the old days. That is not going to happen. The ethnic group taking over our area is very different but has many very strong points. The most important ones being respect for their neighbors and for the older people in the family structure. The best I can do is live my little life and not tell others how to live theirs. I have no theory on your thoughts or actions at all. I'm sorry you took my thoughts personally as they are not that important. The Buckeyes..no personal attack before or now. Our best to you and yours.

You must have stayed out of the MMP striping discussions.... :-)

[champion6]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

I forsee lots of arguments and comments about allowing access to TV amenities and facilities. For example, will this new development have golf cart access to The Villages? My first answer is "no". Thoughts?

My first answer is "Hell No! It will NEVER happen!"

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

I forsee lots of arguements and comments about allowing access to TV amenities and facilities. For example. will this new development have golf cart access to The Villages? My first answer is "no". Thoughts?

I drive north to the private dog park on CR 101 daily (the road which runs north of Southern Trace Plaza).
It seems that the "family" subdivisions like Parkdale, which are adjacent to The Villages, have golf cart access to The Villages.
The residents supposedly are not allowed to use rec centers, pools and amenities.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by champion6

My first answer is "Hell No! It will NEVER happen!"

I agree. TV will not allow golf cart access, and Wildwood cannot require it. I wonder if Wildwood will try to figure out a way to allow golf carts to get across 466A to Pinellas Plaza. That would accomplish the same thing.