[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

I zoned out at "Haematological"... Damn British... Speak English, fer chrissakes!

It's from "The Lancet", not "The New England Journal of Medicine". Sometimes we have to accept second best

[Bay Kid]

Let's keep the sky falling.

[Leadbone1]

Ridiculous! Tens of thousands of deaths have been blamed on Covid that were clearly from other causes. X amount of people are going to remain paranoid no matter what! It’s sad!

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

The Hippocratic Oath hanging on my wall states the obligation of physicians to teach others, which is why I attempt to set the record straight when I see posts that need correcting.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Let's see-----protect yourself with a proven, safe, highly effective vaccine against a deadly virus, or........take your Geritol once a day. Hmmmmm, I've made my decision

Dare I say, you aren't teaching others via your second quote, your "teachings" there may/may not be true. You are expressing YOUR opinion. The vaccine isn't proven yet, it's been out less than 1 year. Every day new info, good and bad, becomes known. The vaccine is showing really good results, and some potentially bad results, but it definitely isn't proven yet. If it were, it would be fully approved by the FDA. Because you are a physician many folks will assume what you say is THE truth. There are physicians out there held in equal esteem, some deserving much more respect on the issue, who disagree w your opinion that this vaccine is proven or safe.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

According to the CDC, as of April 30th, out of 101 million fully vaccinated individuals, there were 10,262 breakthrough cases (=0.01%). Of these approx. 10% were hospitalized (1,026) and 2% died (205= .0002%). According to the CDC, "many" of the deaths were UNRELATED to COVID-19.

So, assuming your doctor has an average practice of 2000 patients and half of them were fully vaccinated (reasonable assumptions), he would have had 10/1000 contract COVID after vaccination (50 times the national rate) and 2/1000 die (0.2% or 1000 times the national rate). Something doesn't sound right at all.

I suspect what isn't right is the CDC statistics.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I gathered that as well. All I did was comment that , on the face of it, the numbers just didn't sound right.

I didn't even get into the fact that the OP wearing a mask does almost nothing to protect him

RespoKare masks kill the virus. FDA approved.

[drstevens]

The Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System VAERS information is available at The COVID Blog - Official blog of COVID Legal USA. Vaccines are the leading cause of coincidences. Stay Vigilant.

[J1ceasar]

Well just to respond to the guy actually below talking about statistics, everyone eventually dies. And since the doctor himself did not know the cause of death and just probably knew that they never came back I can presume that he presumed it was covid. The best protection rates with the vaccinated are 95% effective, I believe it' moderna . Since I would say 90% of the seniors in our area are now vaccinated but only 50% of other adults between 18 and around 50 or vaccinated, you still have a chance of getting covid. Is the person above me has stated it's a very small chance but it's still a chance I don't want to take myself. Wearing a mask is a very small step for protection and I don't understand why so many people are going maskless. It's kind of like swimming in a lake in Florida, you may not get eaten by a gator but they're still a pretty good chance you will get eaten by a gator so I take that risk. By the way the average is one person per year dying by a gator in Florida and 5 to 6 people being bitten by a gator in Florida every year. Almost as much as being hit by a golf ball in The villages!

[J1ceasar]

Everyone's opinion is exactly that, if you don't want to read the opinion please skip to the next one. As the saying goes statistics are great as you can make them say whatever you want. Here's a question for you which kills more people in the US every year alligators or soda machines?

[Irishmen]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

According to the CDC, as of April 30th, out of 101 million fully vaccinated individuals, there were 10,262 breakthrough cases (=0.01%). Of these approx. 10% were hospitalized (1,026) and 2% died (205= .0002%). According to the CDC, "many" of the deaths were UNRELATED to COVID-19.

So, assuming your doctor has an average practice of 2000 patients and half of them were fully vaccinated (reasonable assumptions), he would have had 10/1000 contract COVID after vaccination (50 times the national rate) and 2/1000 die (0.2% or 1000 times the national rate). Something doesn't sound right at all.

Yes something doesn't sound right start with "according to the CDC" wrong about masks distancing and just about everything else. Folks like this want you continually scared and afraid. Probably gets a woody seeing you frightened.

[Irishmen]

Originally Posted by J1ceasar

Well just to respond to the guy actually below talking about statistics, everyone eventually dies. And since the doctor himself did not know the cause of death and just probably knew that they never came back I can presume that he presumed it was covid. The best protection rates with the vaccinated are 95% effective, I believe it' moderna . Since I would say 90% of the seniors in our area are now vaccinated but only 50% of other adults between 18 and around 50 or vaccinated, you still have a chance of getting covid. Is the person above me has stated it's a very small chance but it's still a chance I don't want to take myself. Wearing a mask is a very small step for protection and I don't understand why so many people are going maskless. It's kind of like swimming in a lake in Florida, you may not get eaten by a gator but they're still a pretty good chance you will get eaten by a gator so I take that risk. By the way the average is one person per year dying by a gator in Florida and 5 to 6 people being bitten by a gator in Florida every year. Almost as much as being hit by a golf ball in The villages!

How small of particles does your mask "strain"? What is size of virus? Thanks! If I were you I'd wear 17 masks just in case.

[Pat2015]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Thanks, I believe I gathered that. But even IF his physician is an oncologist, and IF he was only seeing patients with active disease, there is no concrete evidence that the vaccine is substantially less effective in those with hematologic malignancies, over and above the immunosuppression that goes with those disorders, and certainly not at 1000 times the national rate in general.

New studies have shown that people who take immune suppressant drugs and have been fully vaccinated are testing negative for Covid antibodies thus they’ve obtained zero protection against Covid like an unvaccinated person. Couple that with having cancer it’s understandable that deaths will occur. Question though is did they die from Covid or with Covid? Either way the vaccines are still being studied and we’re all a part of the ongoing clinical study from which it’s recently been determined that there are people who are vaccinated who have not received any benefit from the vaccines.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Originally Posted by Garywt

Was at the doctors today and he was telling me that 10 of his vaccinated patients got sick and 2 died. The vaccine is not mixing well with certain blood cancers, mine being one of them. So moving forward I was told to take all precautions as if I never had the vaccine. So status quo for me.

I have a friend who is in treatment for cancer and I truly understand and support your efforts. We all should do what is appropriate for ourselves.

[merrymini]

Fauci is a liar.
The who and cdc are liars.
You are the guinea pig in this experiment.
China is lying about the chinese flu.
600,000 people did not die of covid, the death numbers do not support this.
Believing the garbage you see and read means you are behaving foolishly.
Start thinking critically, if you have enough brain matter to do so.

[Garywt]

Originally Posted by thevillages2013

Did the other patients get sick because of getting the vaccine or did they get Covid and die because the vaccine was not effective for them?

Because of our weakened immune system the vaccine did not work in many patients fighting cancer. That said, my doctor told me to act as if I was not vaccinated even though I was.