[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

Dare I say, you aren't teaching others via your second quote, your "teachings" there may/may not be true. You are expressing YOUR opinion. The vaccine isn't proven yet, it's been out less than 1 year. Every day new info, good and bad, becomes known. The vaccine is showing really good results, and some potentially bad results, but it definitely isn't proven yet. If it were, it would be fully approved by the FDA. Because you are a physician many folks will assume what you say is THE truth. There are physicians out there held in equal esteem, some deserving much more respect on the issue, who disagree w your opinion that this vaccine is proven or safe.

Blah,blah, blah.....

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

What does this have to do with what I posted about excess deaths?

because some one was killed (sadly) on 301 last year in a motorcycle crash. the family fought the death certificate that listed covid. these stories go on & on: a villager near us passed, & the same thing. their spouse is disputing the cause of death diagnosed again as covid, but they in fact did not succumb to it

[Ftallmadge]

Originally Posted by Garywt

Was at the doctors today and he was telling me that 10 of his vaccinated patients got sick and 2 died. The vaccine is not mixing well with certain blood cancers, mine being one of them. So moving forward I was told to take all precautions as if I never had the vaccine. So status quo for me.

Thank you for posting, I currently have cancer so this post interested me. So I looked it up from the CDC


COVID-19 Vaccines in People with Cancer

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Irishmen

Yes something doesn't sound right start with "according to the CDC" wrong about masks distancing and just about everything else. Folks like this want you continually scared and afraid. Probably gets a woody seeing you frightened.

Wow...that was a childish comment.....

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by merrymini

Fauci is a liar.
The who and cdc are liars.
You are the guinea pig in this experiment.
China is lying about the chinese flu.
600,000 people did not die of covid, the death numbers do not support this.
Believing the garbage you see and read means you are behaving foolishly.
Start thinking critically, if you have enough brain matter to do so.

Lol, lol.....is this a serious forum..or the Sunday funnies?

[tuccillo]

I do believe you have missed the point. The reason to look at excess deaths is because the cause of death doesn't matter. Excess deaths is the number of deaths, regardless of cause, above what is expected. The number of deaths each year is a remarkably predictable number. Since COVID was the extraordinary event of the last 18 months, a high percentage of the excess deaths can be attributed to COVID-19. Some estimates are in the 80% range. This is a better way to get a grasp on the extent of COVID-19 deaths than arguing about each and every death certificate.

Originally Posted by PugMom

because some one was killed (sadly) on 301 last year in a motorcycle crash. the family fought the death certificate that listed covid. these stories go on & on: a villager near us passed, & the same thing. their spouse is disputing the cause of death diagnosed again as covid, but they in fact did not succumb to it

[Carol Fiore]

I know 3 people who died from the shot. Right after the second shot, my girlfriend got sick, now she has heart problems. Who is really keeping track because the doctor say, you didn't get sick from the shot. My brother died in his sleep a week ago. After the second shot he got sick. The doctors put him on an antibiotic and he got better for a few days then got sicker. They increased his antibiotic and he died 2 days later. Did the shot cause it? Who knows. Everyone who got sick in the past year, they said it was the virus. Now when someone dies after the shot, they are not counting all these people. It always another cause. I don't know if I can believe the numbers. Some people reacted bad to the virus where some people it didn't effect them. It is the same with the shot. This is a heartbreaking time for families who lost their love ones. My prayers are with everyone.

[Gray lady of the sea]

Thank you !

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

Lol, lol.....is this a serious forum..or the Sunday funnies?

I get it, you disagree and nothing will change your mind. No worries, and really no need for you to respond in the disrespectful ways you have, def not helpful to anyone. But I think this has been a useful discussion, if not to you, to those that are immunosuppressed and unaware of the recent findings.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

I do believe you have missed the point. The reason to look at excess deaths is because the cause of death doesn't matter. Excess deaths is the number of deaths, regardless of cause, above what is expected. The number of deaths each year is a remarkably predictable number. Since COVID was the extraordinary event of the last 18 months, a high percentage of the excess deaths can be attributed to COVID-19. Some estimates are in the 80% range. This is a better way to get a grasp on the extent of COVID-19 deaths than arguing about each and every death certificate.

Based on the projected deaths for 2020 and the provisional death numbers for 2020 provided by the CDC, there were 419,534 “excess” deaths in the US in 2020. If 80% could be attributed to Covid, that would be 335,627 Covid deaths. Since the majority of Covid deaths involved people who were already unhealthy, the numbers should average back out over the next few years.

[Becca9800]

This link is to a YouTube discussion between 3 noteworthy experts, one of whom is the founder of the mRNA technology, Robert Malone MD. Has anyone heard their opinions from our mainstream media?

Adverse Side Effects from COVID Vaccines - Dangerous Intersection

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

Wow...that was a childish comment.....

I noticed you had one above in post# 76

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

I do believe you have missed the point. The reason to look at excess deaths is because the cause of death doesn't matter. Excess deaths is the number of deaths, regardless of cause, above what is expected. The number of deaths each year is a remarkably predictable number. Since COVID was the extraordinary event of the last 18 months, a high percentage of the excess deaths can be attributed to COVID-19. Some estimates are in the 80% range. This is a better way to get a grasp on the extent of COVID-19 deaths than arguing about each and every death certificate.

my bad, point taken

[alehew]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

According to the CDC, as of April 30th, out of 101 million fully vaccinated individuals, there were 10,262 breakthrough cases (=0.01%). Of these approx. 10% were hospitalized (1,026) and 2% died (205= .0002%). According to the CDC, "many" of the deaths were UNRELATED to COVID-19.

So, assuming your doctor has an average practice of 2000 patients and half of them were fully vaccinated (reasonable assumptions), he would have had 10/1000 contract COVID after vaccination (50 times the national rate) and 2/1000 die (0.2% or 1000 times the national rate). Something doesn't sound right at all.

I would quit listening to the cdc, fauci and anyone that gives you stats they have already stated its not accurate

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by alehew

I would quit listening to the cdc, fauci and anyone that gives you stats they have already stated its not accurate

And, who, may I ask, has the exact, precise, incontrovertible data about Covid, anywhere in the US or the world?