[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by PugMom

they ARE real, you guys! i posted once in a previous thread how i had mistaken them for meter readers on my neighbors' property. since i am a warm & loving person, i said good morning to the woman with the clipboard & she spun around like i'd caught her in the act of something. she climbed into the cart & they drove off! what upset me the most is she had no business on our properties roaming between our homes. i let it go, but always keep an eye out for them & their suspicious behavior

Thank you

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Can someone please post some photos, so I know what an "undesirable-looking person" looks like ? I'm thinking maybe I have to change my wardrobe or grow a mustache or something?

Well, 1st of all, young people are NOT supposed to be here year-round. Is this an over-55 community or is it NOT? As far as their looks, Police are trained to spot SUSPICIOUS people. I am NOT a trained Police-person. But, if I had to guess........they likely would look twice at someone wearing a black trench coat with a black hoody pulled up and dark pants. They likely would look for gang-related tattoos and possibly spiked hair - possibly wearing an excessively large fake gold chain. Now a perfectly wonderful person may also be displaying those markers, but they MAY increase the probability of problems. In Israel, the airport Police have become very adept at spotting terrorists. Just looking for something out of place.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

Wow, those "old biddies" as some refer to them, are not only prolific but they appear to have a hell of a lot of stamina.


Let's review - that's 80 alleged violations in ONE neighborhood. If they drove around all day, say 8 hours, no bathroom breaks, cart gas, lunch, etc., they wrote 10 every hour. That's one every SIX MINUTES, all day long. Really? Does anyone REALLY believe this?

If you do, be aware there's a fat guy in a red suit coming in 6 days. He's coming in. Unless you've been naughty.

Be on the lookout.

No worries about your version of fat shaming some guy in a red suit, we light candles at our house.

Not that hard snap photo of issue, address is on your post. Less than 2 minutes per house. Phone in complaints and honestly, less than three minutes per complaint. All complaints were anonymous. Thats how it was explained to us. For many years there were hardly any complaints, until the “White Cross” issue.

Unless you have been tagged, you really have zero first hand knowledge. According to the gentleman who came to our door with a official letter of Deed compliance offense, the average complaints filed from the same persons was usually 10 streets in the same neighborhood. Our neighborhood Emailed photos of the cart with 2 women taking pictures of homes with cell phones. Email was to “be aware of strange cart driving slowly in the neighborhood”. Not one person recognized the golf cart or the two occupants.

At the time the concern was about safety, until Couple weeks later letters were delivered to homes. Then it came to light, why they were driving slowly in our streets.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I am NOT really an elitist, but as I was writing that post, I thought to myself that it sounded pretty cold. But, I did NOT change it because it showed some harsh realities about the situation. Most TV Landers have worked long and hard to enjoy The Villages as fruits of their labor. I remember that about 5 years ago a softball player had their Corvette stolen in a parking lot near the Junior High School. In that case, he was NOT getting his or her just rewards in retirement. Certainly, nothing is perfect, but, in general, the retirees living in TV land deserve high-tech Law Enforcement and plenty of it. I have suggested high-tech cameras in neighborhoods and camera-carrying military-grade drones. Police or community service people on E-bikes because those riders are FORCED to be aware of their environment more than in a 4-wheel motor vehicle.

I don't have a problem with volunteers wanting to keep or improve their neighborhoods, but it might be too INSIGNIFICANT to concentrate on LITTLE things like white crosses too close to the road, or wrong shrubs, or painting a house with an unapproved paint color. Now, I would rather volunteers in a neighborhood report things like a motorhome parked too long or some more serious infraction. If I had my way I would like to have volunteers with speed guns and cameras set up in a way that would allow a legal speeding ticket to be issued. of course, there may be some legal problems. I guess that my main point is to better utilize the idea of "TROLLS" by upgrading their attention to BIGGER problems.

I think you should quit while you’re ahead, well maybe not ahead…

BTW, those 8 drones you proposed in your other post, you’re willing to pay the freight for 8 skilled drone operators? Think!

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, 1st of all, young people are NOT supposed to be here year-round. Is this an over-55 community or is it NOT? As far as their looks, Police are trained to spot SUSPICIOUS people. I am NOT a trained Police-person. But, if I had to guess........they likely would look twice at someone wearing a black trench coat with a black hoody pulled up and dark pants. They likely would look for gang-related tattoos and possibly spiked hair - possibly wearing an excessively large fake gold chain. Now a perfectly wonderful person may also be displaying those markers, but they MAY increase the probability of problems. In Israel, the airport Police have become very adept at spotting terrorists. Just looking for something out of place.

You are forgetting the 20% rule of under 55. We have 6 homes that owners are in their 30’s.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by asianthree

You are forgetting the 20% rule of under 55. We have 6 homes that owners are in their 30’s.

Ownership isn't relevant. The criteria is "occupancy".

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

... Police are trained to spot SUSPICIOUS people. I am NOT a trained Police-person. But, if I had to guess........they likely would look twice at someone wearing a black trench coat with a black hoody pulled up and dark pants. They likely would look for gang-related tattoos and possibly spiked hair - possibly wearing an excessively large fake gold chain. Now a perfectly wonderful person may also be displaying those markers, but they MAY increase the probability of problems. In Israel, the airport Police have become very adept at spotting terrorists. Just looking for something out of place.

"Profiling" is illegal by statue in Florida. Stereotyping may not be illegal, but surely not very charitable.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, 1st of all, young people are NOT supposed to be here year-round. Is this an over-55 community or is it NOT? As far as their looks, Police are trained to spot SUSPICIOUS people. I am NOT a trained Police-person. But, if I had to guess........they likely would look twice at someone wearing a black trench coat with a black hoody pulled up and dark pants. They likely would look for gang-related tattoos and possibly spiked hair - possibly wearing an excessively large fake gold chain. Now a perfectly wonderful person may also be displaying those markers, but they MAY increase the probability of problems. In Israel, the airport Police have become very adept at spotting terrorists. Just looking for something out of place.

Heh - there's a guy on our side of the Villages who wears mostly goth clothes. Black stovepipe jeans, a black jacket, has piercings and inks and funky hair. Looks to be somewhere in his mid-20's. I just assume he's living with family here. I see him walking down Paradise often. Never heard any trouble with him at all. Since I recognize him from the neighborhood I'd probably offer to give him a ride home, if I ever saw him heading in that direction while I was out in my golf cart.

Then again, I also gave a ride to a bum walking from Walmart toward Aldi's, because it was an incredibly hot day, he looked miserable, and was trying to hide an open can of chili with a plastic spoon from me, like he was ashamed. I felt horrible and told him I could take him as far as WaWa if he wanted. He only needed to go just past Aldi's to the corner there though, so that's where I let him out.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

As it is, there are lots of young and undesirable-looking people living in the Historic section. Also, various drivers speeding. I would think that it would be a lot easier to stop the speeders than the undesirable-looking young residents. And, a speeding vehicle can injure or kill an older resident out walking their dog much easier than a threatening look from an undesirable.

By lots, how many are we talking? By young, how young are you thinking here? And by undesirable, who are they undesirable to?

I've seen exactly two people under 40 on the Historic side of the villages whose "appearance" would definitely cause some random old geezer to need a pacemaker battery change. I haven't seen either of them in the papers for any crimes committed, so I'll just assume that either a) they're not committing any or b) they haven't been caught. In either case, there aren't any reports of rampant crime in our area either - which leads me to believe these two kids just enjoy looking freaky.

I did too back in the day, I was into the bell-bottom jeans with the YES logo written all over them in magic marker, tye-dye shirts and gauze blouses and a bandana tied over my hair. Each generation has its wardrobe quirks, its group of "non-conformists" who create their own conformity.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Unless you have been tagged, you really have zero first hand knowledge.

Right you are. Because I follow the EFFIN rules.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Ownership isn't relevant. The criteria is "occupancy".

Persons on the deed are the only legal proof for age. One can move here with 10 adult children, only those listed on the deed counts as age.

As for occupancy, no one goes door to door and search’s homes for humans, pets, or living plants. Unless there is a warrant or a raid

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

Right you are. Because I follow the EFFIN rules.

So do I, not my fault some OLD, vision impaired, crazy person thought a dormant flower vine was a “White Cross” in our Asian/Native/Jewish household. If I did use a white cross for any of my past relatives, they would kick the dirt off their mounded grave, roll over in coffins, and throw ashes from urns Or according to stories passed down “ you will be visited by your great great grandmother to guide you on your path”

It’s hard to understand the small percentage of actual infractions compared to the percentage of complaints there really are. Unless you have first hand knowledge, it’s pointless.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Persons on the deed are the only legal proof for age. One can move here with 10 adult children, only those listed on the deed counts as age. As for occupancy, no one goes door to door and search’s homes for humans, pets, or living plants.

That's a lot like the subject that started this thread, folks making up their own rules or ignoring the existing ones.

Ownership isn't relative by law. The Law says 80% of the homes must be occupied by at least 1 person over the age of 55 and further: "The housing provider must engage in appropriate age verification procedures that includes a community census from time to time."

55 & Over Housing: What is the 80/20 Rule? | Florida Condo & HOA Law Blog

The 80/20 Rule for 55+ Communities in Florida

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

That's a lot like the subject that started this thread, folks making up their own rules or ignoring the existing ones.

Ownership isn't relative by law. The Law says 80% of the homes must be occupied by at least 1 person over the age of 55 and further: "The housing provider must engage in appropriate age verification procedures that includes a community census from time to time."

55 & Over Housing: What is the 80/20 Rule? | Florida Condo & HOA Law Blog

The 80/20 Rule for 55+ Communities in Florida

Sarcasm Sheldon

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, 1st of all, young people are NOT supposed to be here year-round. Is this an over-55 community or is it NOT? As far as their looks, Police are trained to spot SUSPICIOUS people. I am NOT a trained Police-person. But, if I had to guess........they likely would look twice at someone wearing a black trench coat with a black hoody pulled up and dark pants. They likely would look for gang-related tattoos and possibly spiked hair - possibly wearing an excessively large fake gold chain. Now a perfectly wonderful person may also be displaying those markers, but they MAY increase the probability of problems. In Israel, the airport Police have become very adept at spotting terrorists. Just looking for something out of place.

Your posts are probably the biggest threat to house sales in The Villages.
Surveillance drones, suspicious people spotters, Mossad experts from Israel to spot terrorists.....
You make the place sound as dangerous as Downtown Beirut!