[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by Whalen

1. What would they attend? Please explain how an event of this magnitude can be relocated to a new venue in just less than 6 months?

2. You'll have to ask the developer this question.
Technically it wasn't moved, the developer told the organizers that the annual Relay event would not be allowed to take place on Village property.

3. That doesn't excuse the behavior.

my answers:

1. Absolutely could be moved. Why would a location stop any participant from attending?

2. Agree, it should be on TV property.

3. Agree.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by bimmertl

Let's see, Relay for Life was denied use of last years site, so it couldn't be held there, so it had to be moved elsewhere. Hope that helps you understand.

Nice of you to call prior years participants "shallow" if they fail to participate in a much smaller venue offering limited amenities.

If I recall correctly, Russ plans on working for the Villages Hospital when he moves to the Villages. His pandering to the Morse fund raiser seems to be nothing more than padding his resume so all the Morse minions who monitor this site remember him when he shows up hat in hand at their doorstep looking for work.

My answers:

Yes I understand that TV denied use of their property. Agree that is wrong.

And yes if someone doesn't go to this year's event based solely on location then that is a 'them' problem. I would support it regardless of location. You can always find a ride with someone if this event is not golf cart accessible.

As far as your point about my profession goes - laughable. I've already interviewed at TVRH over a year ago and have been in constant contact with them regarding RN openings. They have no clue about TOTV nor do they care. They require outstanding professionals to do their job - nothing more, nothing less.

My bottom line is and always has been: More care centers means more opportunities for those afflicted with a horrible condition to have a choice. I'm a nurse, would you expect me to say anything else?!

[nitakk]

Couldn't help but notice The Shadow's post was deleted. While I agree he is out there sometimes, can the moderator who is undoubtedly monitoring this site today please explain why? I have seen a lot worse on TOV - just maybe not at the Morse family. What's up???

[tony]

Discussion on this topic is strong, to say the least, but it has been mostly germane to the topic and non-inflammatory.

[Whalen]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

my answers:

1. Absolutely could be moved. Why would a location stop any participant from attending?

2. Agree, it should be on TV property.

3. Agree.

Absolutely?

This is not just a walk around the block.

At last year's event there were thousands of participants, many stayed through the night.
For starters you need a venue large enough to hold all the people, tents, displays etc., overnight lighting,
parking, toilet facilities, water, emergency and medical people on hand, that's just off the top of my head.
I'm sure there is much more.

As to what will stop people from coming, it will be off property... you won't be able to get there in a golf cart.

[redwitch]

If there hadn't been the sharing issue, I'm sure the Morses could have easily found another venue. I do not think the loss of the high school field was due to the Morses. That was the school's decision because of work on the field. However, I think the Polo Fields could have easily accommdated Relay for Life.

I don't like the facts that (1) Moffitt coming to TV was an after-thought (Moffitt announced it was coming to Leesburg and someone decided we should have one on campus; (2) that any chairty held in TV has to share its proceeds with Moffitt; (3) the duplicitousness of "donating" the land and building when the reality is anything but a donation; (4) that TV is losing Relay for Life because of the selfishness and greed of the developer; (5) that IF donation goals are not met, the funds will be taken out of the Brownwood hospital, which is truly needed.

To accuse Russ of being a shill for the hospital in any way, shape or form is beyond the pale. He's been a caring member of TOTV for a long, long time. He loves TV. He happens to have opinions about the TV Moffitt Center that I don't agree with, but that doesn't make him any less of a person or a valued member of this forum any more than it does me. As he has said repeatedly, you can choose to contibute or not. He has chosen to contribute. I have chosen to not contribute.

And I really, really wish I had seen The Shadow's post. My curiosity is killing me!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by redwitch

If there hadn't been the sharing issue, I'm sure the Morses could have easily found another venue. I do not think the loss of the high school field was due to the Morses. That was the school's decision because of work on the field. However, I think the Polo Fields could have easily accommdated Relay for Life.

I don't like the facts that (1) Moffitt coming to TV was an after-thought (Moffitt announced it was coming to Leesburg and someone decided we should have one on campus; (2) that any chairty held in TV has to share its proceeds with Moffitt; (3) the duplicitousness of "donating" the land and building when the reality is anything but a donation; (4) that TV is losing Relay for Life because of the selfishness and greed of the developer; (5) that IF donation goals are not met, the funds will be taken out of the Brownwood hospital, which is truly needed.

To accuse Russ of being a shill for the hospital in any way, shape or form is beyond the pale. He's been a caring member of TOTV for a long, long time. He loves TV. He happens to have opinions about the TV Moffitt Center that I don't agree with, but that doesn't make him any less of a person or a valued member of this forum any more than it does me. As he has said repeatedly, you can choose to contibute or not. He has chosen to contribute. I have chosen to not contribute.

And I really, really wish I had seen The Shadow's post. My curiosity is killing me!

Me too Red! And I agree with you about Russ Boston.

I think in five years, when this has passed, and Moffitt Center is built and the Relay for Life is here again, and none of us will know any more about what the Morse family are really, really like.

We will continue to speculate about this family who has built this lovely place and gotten rich off of it.

Some of us won't like them at all, and some of us won't care, and some people will marvel at their business acumen....But we (us lucky villagers) will be here enjoying this place...I hope.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by bimmertl

Let's see, Relay for Life was denied use of last years site, so it couldn't be held there, so it had to be moved elsewhere. Hope that helps you understand.

Nice of you to call prior years participants "shallow" if they fail to participate in a much smaller venue offering limited amenities.

If I recall correctly, Russ plans on working for the Villages Hospital when he moves to the Villages. His pandering to the Morse fund raiser seems to be nothing more than padding his resume so all the Morse minions who monitor this site remember him when he shows up hat in hand at their doorstep looking for work.

You are way off base in making this statement.

[barb1191]

Originally Posted by Originally Posted by bimmertl

Let's see, Relay for Life was denied use of last years site, so it couldn't be held there, so it had to be moved elsewhere. Hope that helps you understand.

Nice of you to call prior years participants "shallow" if they fail to participate in a much smaller venue offering limited amenities.

If I recall correctly, Russ plans on working for the Villages Hospital when he moves to the Villages. His pandering to the Morse fund raiser seems to be nothing more than padding his resume so all the Morse minions who monitor this site remember him when he shows up hat in hand at their doorstep looking for work.

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

You are way off base in making this statement.

Bogie Shooter..... This happens to be true that Russ has mentioned a number of times of his intentions to seek employment here in TV hospital. The statement is the truth which is more than what we've heard from the powers-that-be regarding this disgusting situation. It had entered my mind more than a few times that Russ would, naturally, be in favor of the developer's plans as this will be a part of his (Russ') planned future. Nothing wrong with the truth, is there?

I believe that you're hitting the wrong target as far as "off base" is concerned; in my opinion the developer is waaaaaay "off base." Russ is merely taking the high road and who can blame him? He's looking toward his future and good luck to you, Russ.

[Larry Wilson]

Just came back from my golf group. Eight full timers are so sorry they were duped( great ads in the Sun and front page news, shows etc.) into giving donations to Moffitt as they are learning more and more.
I would trust the Orlando Sentinel and certain posters before I would trust The Sun and other posters. So much for my 2 cents, off to a Super Bowl party!

[Russ_Boston]

Ok everyone figured me out.

Yes, I'll admit, I've been planning this for 3 1/2 years. I knew the day would come when I could kiss CFHA's ass through TOTV. It was a masterful plan. I would lead an argument in favor of CFHA in hopes of landing an RN job that pays 50% of what I make in Boston.

You guys are geniuses for seeing right through my charade!

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by barb1191

Bogie Shooter..... This happens to be true that Russ has mentioned a number of times of his intentions to seek employment here in TV hospital. The statement is the truth which is more than what we've heard from the powers-that-be regarding this disgusting situation. It had entered my mind more than a few times that Russ would, naturally, be in favor of the developer's plans as this will be a part of his (Russ') planned future. Nothing wrong with the truth, is there?

I believe that you're hitting the wrong target as far as "off base" is concerned; in my opinion the developer is waaaaaay "off base." Russ is merely taking the high road and who can blame him? He's looking toward his future and good luck to you, Russ.

If I recall correctly, Russ plans on working for the Villages Hospital when he moves to the Villages. His pandering to the Morse fund raiser seems to be nothing more than padding his resume so all the Morse minions who monitor this site remember him when he shows up hat in hand at their doorstep looking for work.
Agree, I knew Russ has indicated he wants a nurses job when he gets to TV.
I feel this was far too strong a statement to be made. Sorry, If you don't agree with my opinion.

[barb1191]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...ge=2&track=rss

Not sure if this has been posted before...FYI At the bottom of Page 1 in this article scroll down to read two more links relative to this hot topic that may be of interest.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by bimmertl

His pandering to the Morse fund raiser seems to be nothing more than padding his resume so all the Morse minions who monitor this site remember him when he shows up hat in hand at their doorstep looking for work.

By the way just to get the facts correct (why should we let truth get in the way of a good argument): Morse family does not own CFHA in any shape or form. So why would the Morse minions who monitor this site (debatable on its face) care if I work for CFHA? Never mind help me get a job there. Ludicrous.

[redwitch]

Sigh! It really is a shame this has become a thread of personal attacks. Sorry, but it really makes no sense whatsoever that Russ would "pander" or brown-nose or kiss a rear or two to get a job here. He's a nurse -- they're in high demand. As a nurse, his viewpoint is that Moffitt is a good thing. To me, it really is that plain and simple. It has nothing to do with his wanting a job here. That he'll easily get regardless of his viewpoints of Moffitt.

Do I think Russ and most of the other pro-Moffitt people "get" it? Not really. I understand the concept that they feel the more ways to help fight cancer, the better. I don't understand how they can support a medical center that is truly superfluous; has been shown that the people building it have basically used fraudulent tactics to get that center in this location; have taken from other charities. But, those that support a TV Moffitt Center are doing what they feel is right and that really is the bottom line. It is all any of us can do.

So, could we please quit with the name-calling and accusations between members? It is demeaning to all of us. Don't turn this into the political forum.

Stick to the facts and your opinions of those facts. Don't get mired down in the fact someone believes differently than you. As has been said, TV Moffitt will be built regardless of what any of us feel. We can choose to support it or not. If we ever get cancer and are lucky enough to be able to afford treatment there, we can go there or to Shands or to Moffitt-Tampa or wherever. We all have choices.