[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Djean1981

The fear of outsiders has become a social contagion egged on by the villages-negative-news site as rage bait. It's simply not true. The villages is too big to expect to recognize everyone at your local pool or pickleball court. The apartment building's going up have their own facilities. Try to relax.

Really??? The question, and this thread, is NOT about which apartment buildings do or do not have their own facilities. It concerns non-residents coming to OUR facilities. It is TRESSPASING and should be stopped. Even one sneaking in is too many, because where there is one, there are surely more to follow.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by CarlR33

Or just lock it down at the gate making it a true gated community. Less turnstiles that way.

Considering the roads in TV are public and owned by the county, that might not go over so well.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Arlington2

That is likely the excuse TV uses to avoid taking action. The infrastructure change needed would take extra bucks (like renovating golf courses), but in the long run reduced personnel needs would reduce cost. I suggest interviewing communities that successfully use the approach to see how they control interlopers rather then continue to take the stick your head in the sand approach to ignore. The longer TV waits the more difficult is will be to make change. Maybe already too late?

Communities that have successfully used this approach have far, far fewer facilities to control. My sister-in-law lives in one... they have ONE pool for the entire community while there are five pools just in walking distance from my house.

You like the word "excuse," I like the word "explanation." You might not like the explanation but some actual numbers behind it make it more than just an excuse.

EDIT: WHAT reduced manpower needs? There is no manpower stationed at the pool now to reduce.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by LuvtheVillages

There are a lot of neighbors, contractors, etc, who have somehow acquired gate passes but are not residents. And gate passes can be cloned. Gate passes are not a substitute for resident ID cards.

Really? So these stolen gate passes, are allowing folks to bypass the "Red Button"?

So what exactly does this gain them? & the roads in TV are PUBLIC .... owned by the County.

The issue on point, are use of the amenities. Anyone can come to TV, the amenities are a "private club".

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

As this has been suggested numerous times, it would be interesting to see the count of turnstiles needed and the cost for implementing the plan. Two turnstiles at the neighborhood pool, one at the family pool, two at the pickleball courts, and another two at the tennis courts make seven turnstiles at just the two facilities nearest to my home. Multiply that by the hundreds (?) of facilities around the Villages and you're talking about real money.

PLUS, the passes I get for my guests do not have chips in them so how would they work with the turnstiles? Put a barcode on the passes and a reader at the turnstiles? Pay for chipped guest cards and the infrastructure to constantly modify the database? Change the rules to say that I must now accompany my guests when they go to the pool?

Might be a lot easier than all that. Have a lock on the gate that can be opened remotely from the rec center in charge of that pool and a buzzer. When at the gate, the resident "buzzes" the center, holds his ID up to a camera, and the employee lets him in. One person enters per ID. Make sure residents aren't "polite" enough to hold the gate open for strangers (perhaps with a warning that doing so will result in a suspension of all privileges), while the cameras could detect anyone climbing the fence. Cost would be minimal, and now the rec center employee doesn't have to go out to check IDs except maybe an occasional surprise visit.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by MarshBendLover

Probably 99% of people from outside TV drive a car to the rec centers, because a cart would be too far to drive to make it worth it. So, since rec centers are privately owned property along with the street entrance, then install entrance gate only. No auto-open red button crap. Just a call button to the person at the desk if you are in need of entrance. If a car comes around through the exit, then it is obvious they need further checking and warning. The cost would be less than $1,000 per rec center.

We drive our car to all rec centers. I would be fine and feel more like a special place if I had to swipe a card even to check my mail. The fact that we have to go inside because we arrived in a car and tell the desk that we are going to play bocco and get our IDs scanned is a waste of time. I get golf carts are assumed residents. A card reader at rec center entrance would be perfect, just like up at FR rec center. Just need to get rid of red auto button. Police and fire can have cards installed on cars or all employees given a card. Afterall, off duty first responders are always welcome.

99% of outsiders drive a car because 0% of the Villages is accessible by golf cart if you don't have a resident's gate pass.

Two gates would be required for each entrance, one for entry and one for exit. It's hard to imagine the cost for the gate, the pedestal, the reader, the electronics behind it, and the cabling would come to less than $500 per gate ($1000 per entry). Then, many postal stations and some rec centers have two entrances so those would cost at least double.

Once you have all those gate installed you'll have to deal with the traffic backups as cars line up to wait for their turn to search for their cards (you said no red button) and wait for the gate to open.

I'll be the first in line to say that I don't want to pay the additional amenity fee to fund that mess!

[Stu from NYC]

Or have each villager install a chip in their head that has to be recognized at the game. No chip you get a small shock to make sure you stay out.

Told to me by a friend.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

99% of outsiders drive a car because 0% of the Villages is accessible by golf cart if you don't have a resident's gate pass.

Two gates would be required for each entrance, one for entry and one for exit. It's hard to imagine the cost for the gate, the pedestal, the reader, the electronics behind it, and the cabling would come to less than $500 per gate ($1000 per entry). Then, many postal stations and some rec centers have two entrances so those would cost at least double.

Once you have all those gate installed you'll have to deal with the traffic backups as cars line up to wait for their turn to search for their cards (you said no red button) and wait for the gate to open.

I'll be the first in line to say that I don't want to pay the additional amenity fee to fund that mess!

please read post #35

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Or have each villager install a chip in their head that has to be recognized at the game. No chip you get a small shock to make sure you stay out.

Told to me by a friend.

No good. They could block the signal with the same tin foil hat that they wear to keep out the alien mind control

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Are you willing to pay more in amenity fees to pay people to drive around and check IDs?

Nope. But I /am/ willing to see more Florida-specific perennials that can thrive as "wildflowers" in the flower beds, thus cutting down on the expense of switching them out every 3 months. That should cover the cost of 4 "roaming" employees in each district, whose job it is to travel in a loop and check IDs at each rec center and neighborhood pool along the route. You'd need these shifts: 1 from pool opening until 1pm. 1 from 10am til 3pm. One from noon til 5pm. One from 4pm til closing.

The entire Historic section would need just those 4 employees, going to Paradise, Hilltop, and Southside pools. They can also spend some time at the Rec area itself, making sure there aren't any unattended little kids using the sports equipment, and that kids under 13 aren't being allowed to use the outdoor exercise equipment as a playground by doting grandparents (Kids are not supposed to use them EVEN IF someone is watching them. The signs state as such).

That would be in addition to the existing rec center employees, who DO have to check IDs every so often at their rec center pools.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

please read post #35

I suspect cameras and a button would be prohibitively expensive both for the technology and the number of attendants it would take to monitor all the screens but it might make sense to research the cost.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I suspect cameras and a button would be prohibitively expensive both for the technology and the number of attendants it would take to monitor all the screens but it might make sense to research the cost.

You might be right, I don't know the exact cost of a camera and a remote link to a lock, but I don't think it would require any more attendants---there is a person at the rec center entrance that checks IDs---he could have the CCTV and answer the buzzer from the pools assigned to that rec center.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Might be a lot easier than all that. Have a lock on the gate that can be opened remotely from the rec center in charge of that pool and a buzzer. When at the gate, the resident "buzzes" the center, holds his ID up to a camera, and the employee lets him in. One person enters per ID. Make sure residents aren't "polite" enough to hold the gate open for strangers (perhaps with a warning that doing so will result in a suspension of all privileges), while the cameras could detect anyone climbing the fence. Cost would be minimal, and now the rec center employee doesn't have to go out to check IDs except maybe an occasional surprise visit.

I’d be totally in favor of that at the sports pools. Over the years I have witnessed several non Villagers sneaking in during lap swimming times. Also, I like what they have done in the newer southern sports pools, where you have to go through the pool to get into the locker room/shower area. That helps keep the homeless people from sneaking in late in the day to $hit, shave, and shower. It happens, I’ve witnessed it several times over the years.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

I’d be totally in favor of that at the sports pools. Over the years I have witnessed several non Villagers sneaking in during lap swimming times. Also, I like what they have done in the newer southern sports pools, where you have to go through the pool to get into the locker room/shower area. That helps keep the homeless people from sneaking in late in the day to $hit, shave, and shower. It happens, I’ve witnessed it several times over the years.

That's ridiculous. I would think the developer would have a vested interest in not seeing things deteriorate to that level. The Villages is NOT a homeless shelter.

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Might be a lot easier than all that. Have a lock on the gate that can be opened remotely from the rec center in charge of that pool and a buzzer. When at the gate, the resident "buzzes" the center, holds his ID up to a camera, and the employee lets him in. One person enters per ID. Make sure residents aren't "polite" enough to hold the gate open for strangers (perhaps with a warning that doing so will result in a suspension of all privileges), while the cameras could detect anyone climbing the fence. Cost would be minimal, and now the rec center employee doesn't have to go out to check IDs except maybe an occasional surprise visit.

And if the Rec Assistant is busy setting up a room?