[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by GpaVader

While I don't want uninvited guests using our facilities, I really wish we could revisit this 3 county rule as it applies to things like clubs. I run a club and have a lot of people that would like to attend but can't because they don't have a Villages ID or guest pass. These are people that have something to contribute to the club and the community, not take anything away from other Villagers.

Is it possible to strike a balance on this? A Non Villager can play golf at the Championship courses....

The solution is already in place. All your group needs to do is rent the room. Then you are allowed to have anyone attend your event. ID's are not checked. You can sell tickets to cover the cost.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

You might be right, I don't know the exact cost of a camera and a remote link to a lock, but I don't think it would require any more attendants---there is a person at the rec center entrance that checks IDs---he could have the CCTV and answer the buzzer from the pools assigned to that rec center.

Was at a rec center yesterday and waited approximately 10 to 15 minutes for the front desk person to return from cleaning/preparing a game room in the back or kitchen facility. Phone was ringing, folks wandered in and out, manager office was empty. That one individual still had to check the pool, pickleball court and drive to other pools. My point is that the person monitoring cctv would have way more to do tha monitor the TV and push the buzzer. I think if we could come up with something similar to the starters shacks at golf courses, where a person of authority remained at the pool to check those coming had their ID on them to get in or report any problems with folks who want to enter but "forgot my ID". NO ID, NO ENTRY! NO "BUTS!. Low wage, part timer monitors. What do you say?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

...
I think if we could come up with something similar to the starters shacks at golf courses, where a person of authority remained at the pool to check those coming had their ID on them to get in or report any problems with folks who want to enter but "forgot my ID". NO ID, NO ENTRY! NO "BUTS!. Low wage, part timer monitors. What do you say?

Pools open at 7:30 and close at dusk which is usually defined as 30mins after sunset
Sunset in Orlando ranges from 5:30 in the winter to 8:30 in the summer

If we take an average of 7PM sunset plus 30 minutes to reach dusk that means a pool is open an average of 12 hours per day.

12 hours/day * $13/hour * 90 pools = $14,000/day or $5M/year

If the day is split into two shifts to avoid overtime considerations that would require a minimum of 180 additional employees.

But they would have to work seven days per week which is unreasonable. If we break the week into two parts with one employee working four days and the other working three that means 360 additional employees.

I'm not sure where Florida part-time/full-time rules kick in requiring benefits so maybe we will need three employees per position per week to keep the number of hours down for a total of 540 additional employees.

So an on-site ID checker for all but the sports pools would seem to require an additional $5M per year and 540 employees. The current VCCDD and SLCDD budgets anticipate $130M from amenity fees this year so coming up with an additional $5M/year would require an ADDITIONAL increase of 4%. Coming up with an additional 540 employees might be a bit more difficult.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by GpaVader

While I don't want uninvited guests using our facilities, I really wish we could revisit this 3 county rule as it applies to things like clubs. I run a club and have a lot of people that would like to attend but can't because they don't have a Villages ID or guest pass. These are people that have something to contribute to the club and the community, not take anything away from other Villagers.

Is it possible to strike a balance on this? A Non Villager can play golf at the Championship courses....

You can’t drive without your drivers license on you, you can’t go to a rec center without your ID - what is the difference? If you give leeway, the people who don’t pay for amenities will try to sneak in. Human nature.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

And if the Rec Assistant is busy setting up a room?

Then who's checking IDs at the front door? I've never gone to a rec center and the desk is empty

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Was at a rec center yesterday and waited approximately 10 to 15 minutes for the front desk person to return from cleaning/preparing a game room in the back or kitchen facility. Phone was ringing, folks wandered in and out, manager office was empty. That one individual still had to check the pool, pickleball court and drive to other pools. My point is that the person monitoring cctv would have way more to do tha monitor the TV and push the buzzer. I think if we could come up with something similar to the starters shacks at golf courses, where a person of authority remained at the pool to check those coming had their ID on them to get in or report any problems with folks who want to enter but "forgot my ID". NO ID, NO ENTRY! NO "BUTS!. Low wage, part timer monitors. What do you say?

It's a possible solution, but now you're probably talking 250+ employees. Which at $10/hour will cost about $5 million. I think any solution that consolidates the large number of pools into a system in which multiple pools can be monitored by 1 individual would be more cost effective.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by asianthree

I will say any regional pool is highly regulated. Not only by the Id woohoo checker. But the regular residents who can literally come unglued, when a new person shows up.
Not only can they be outright rude, asking where do you live, why are you at jthis pool. Especially lap swim, and water sports, one actually feels sorry for the newcomers and the ridicule they sometimes encounter.

It’s one of the reasons we built a 4th house with our own pool.

All they got say is none of your business. That’s another problem the villages got individuals thinking they own village’s amenities.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Pools open at 7:30 and close at dusk which is usually defined as 30mins after sunset
Sunset in Orlando ranges from 5:30 in the winter to 8:30 in the summer

If we take an average of 7PM sunset plus 30 minutes to reach dusk that means a pool is open an average of 12 hours per day.

12 hours/day * $13/hour * 90 pools = $14,000/day or $5M/year

If the day is split into two shifts to avoid overtime considerations that would require a minimum of 180 additional employees.

But they would have to work seven days per week which is unreasonable. If we break the week into two parts with one employee working four days and the other working three that means 360 additional employees.

I'm not sure where Florida part-time/full-time rules kick in requiring benefits so maybe we will need three employees per position per week to keep the number of hours down for a total of 540 additional employees.

So an on-site ID checker for all but the sports pools would seem to require an additional $5M per year and 540 employees. The current VCCDD and SLCDD budgets anticipate $130M from amenity fees this year so coming up with an additional $5M/year would require an ADDITIONAL increase of 4%. Coming up with an additional 540 employees might be a bit more difficult.

You forgot additional village Rec truck/cars for transportation above the 750 plus vehicles they have already plus ATV utility vehicles.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

yes

People like things all tucked in and zipped up and perfect until they find the cost comes back to them.

I have been hearing this problem since 2006. Sometimes at this time of the year with many families visiting us around Easter, people see young people and kids everywhere and don't realize they probably have legitimate passes to be at Rec Centers with their grands.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Or have each villager install a chip in their head that has to be recognized at the game. No chip you get a small shock to make sure you stay out.

Told to me by a friend.

Quite a number of posters on this thread have room for more than one chip in their head.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

People like things all tucked in and zipped up and perfect until they find the cost comes back to them.

I have been hearing this problem since 2006. Sometimes at this time of the year with many families visiting us around Easter, people see young people and kids everywhere and don't realize they probably have legitimate passes to be at Rec Centers with their grands.

Love you GG.

That being said, what about the people who drive their car to an exec, then start playing after the starter and ambassador go home? I doubt they are residents sneaking on to play free when they already play for free. What about the teenagers hopping the fence at Trailwinds and using the Tamarind Grove pool? I don't know about pickleball but there are reports of outsiders using those courts as well. And living on a championship course I see all kinds of trespassing, from people using it as a dog park, to people fishing in the ponds, cyclists on mountain bikes and fireworks aficionados on the 4th of July. If we had snow, the snowmobilers would be out there also. Rules have no meaning if they are not enforced. All I can say is try to sneak onto Augusta National and see what happens.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Love you GG.

That being said, what about the people who drive their car to an exec, then start playing after the starter and ambassador go home? I doubt they are residents sneaking on to play free when they already play for free. What about the teenagers hopping the fence at Trailwinds and using the Tamarind Grove pool? I don't know about pickleball but there are reports of outsiders using those courts as well. And living on a championship course I see all kinds of trespassing, from people using it as a dog park, to people fishing in the ponds, cyclists on mountain bikes and fireworks aficionados on the 4th of July. If we had snow, the snowmobilers would be out there also. Rules have no meaning if they are not enforced. All I can say is try to sneak onto Augusta National and see what happens.

Almost never does anyone check for cards at neighborhood pool.

For club events most of the time nobody asks for card.

Some rec centers very good about it others nobody will check.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Almost never does anyone check for cards at neighborhood pool.

For club events most of the time nobody asks for card.

Some rec centers very good about it others nobody will check.

It may be true that at some rec centers they are better about checking than others but I can say that I have been checked at every event for the seven clubs I am part of which have been held at six or seven different rec centers.

I have also seen employees check IDs about 50% of the times I've been at the pools. (Could be the particular pool, could be I'm just unlucky)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Pools open at 7:30 and close at dusk which is usually defined as 30mins after sunset
Sunset in Orlando ranges from 5:30 in the winter to 8:30 in the summer

If we take an average of 7PM sunset plus 30 minutes to reach dusk that means a pool is open an average of 12 hours per day.

12 hours/day * $13/hour * 90 pools = $14,000/day or $5M/year

If the day is split into two shifts to avoid overtime considerations that would require a minimum of 180 additional employees.

But they would have to work seven days per week which is unreasonable. If we break the week into two parts with one employee working four days and the other working three that means 360 additional employees.

I'm not sure where Florida part-time/full-time rules kick in requiring benefits so maybe we will need three employees per position per week to keep the number of hours down for a total of 540 additional employees.

So an on-site ID checker for all but the sports pools would seem to require an additional $5M per year and 540 employees. The current VCCDD and SLCDD budgets anticipate $130M from amenity fees this year so coming up with an additional $5M/year would require an ADDITIONAL increase of 4%. Coming up with an additional 540 employees might be a bit more difficult.

You don't need on-site ID checking from open til close. You can have roaming ID-checkers who run a route that includes a few different pools. I posted on the previous page the general idea of it. Four employees TOTAL, each working part time, covering three or more pools, each day. So if you need them to only work 3 days a week (standard part-time employment here at The Villages) then you'd need 10 employees total to roam 3-5 pools each (depending on where the clusters of pools are located). That'd be the 7-day open-close operation, not 10 people all working at the same time.

Given the close proximity of several of the pools and rec centers, you could probably even get away with having them travel to 5-7 pools per employee, per shift, multiple times per shift. And people who are in the pool - need to be asked to get out of the pool and show their ID. And if they don't comply, then Community Watch comes in and instructs them to leave, or be trespassed.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Might be a lot easier than all that. Have a lock on the gate that can be opened remotely from the rec center in charge of that pool and a buzzer. When at the gate, the resident "buzzes" the center, holds his ID up to a camera, and the employee lets him in. One person enters per ID. Make sure residents aren't "polite" enough to hold the gate open for strangers (perhaps with a warning that doing so will result in a suspension of all privileges), while the cameras could detect anyone climbing the fence. Cost would be minimal, and now the rec center employee doesn't have to go out to check IDs except maybe an occasional surprise visit.

I like this idea. You could have one DEDICATED* employee at a remote location monitoring several pools and PB courts. Would require initial outlay of cash to set up remote buzz-in system, but then only salary which wouldn't be terrible if monitoring multiple venues.

That being said, unless the XXdeveloperXX CDD is reading TOTV for ideas, good luck getting that put in place.

*meaning they solely monitor videos and locks, no other duties like setting up card rooms.