[mrfixit]

Originally Posted by GaryW

That is correct. Morse will join 44 at the junction of 468. Then the new turnpike junction will be at 468 and the turnpike if that continues and goes thru in the next 2 years. Will be a very nice area once it is completed. That area east of 468 will be houses a big Regional rec center. Think it will be calle Cypress Glen.

You are absolutely correct.

The NEW Turnpike interchange is in the works....

The developer is paying $>>>> TWENTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS <<<<
of their own money to jumpstart the Turnpike interchange .

They will then DONATE that to the STATE of Florida.

The State will then use that $25 Million donation as the States share of the total project costs.
The FEDS will then ante up about $70 Million because the State had the $ 25 Million ( albeit developer donated) as their share of the Fed Hwy Funding formula for the total project.
You have to admit..........The Villages" can get things done:

In MY Humble Opinion...
..............We are blessed to be living in this awesome place....
...................................Many thanks to the ENTIRE Morse family

[mrfixit]

Oh Yeah....


As you are all aware...
..........I-75 WILL become SIX lane from GEORGIA line....
............to Naples....and......all the way across "alligator alley" to MIAMI...

...at the latest meeting to set Priorities for Highway projects......
.........it has been determined that the NUMBER ONE PRIORITY for the
six lanes will NOW be ..........wait for it.....
........................................Tampa to WILDWOOD.......

[CatskillBill]

Originally Posted by mrfixit

You are absolutely correct.

The NEW Turnpike interchange is in the works....

The developer is paying $>>>> TWENTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS <<<<
of their own money to jumpstart the Turnpike interchange .

They will then DONATE that to the STATE of Florida.

The State will then use that $25 Million donation as the States share of the total project costs.
The FEDS will then ante up about $70 Million because the State had the $ 25 Million ( albeit developer donated) as their share of the Fed Hwy Funding formula for the total project.
You have to admit..........The Villages" can get things done:

In MY Humble Opinion...
..............We are blessed to be living in this awesome place....
...................................Many thanks to the ENTIRE Morse family

This pdf is a detailed description of the proposed exit:

http://www.pennecamp.org/doc/Turnpike_2011.pdf

[CatskillBill]

Originally Posted by CatskillBill

This pdf is a detailed description of the proposed exit:

http://www.pennecamp.org/doc/Turnpike_2011.pdf

Here's an ad for almost 650 acres for sale near the new interchange. Not sure how old this is or if it has been bought by The Villages machine yet.

http://control.cisdata.net/bin/filel...7c9a19868cf4b/

Also heard a rumor that they bought up everything from the Coleman Federal Correctional Facility (Rt 501/Rt 470 boundary) northeast to the other side of the Okahumpka Service Plaza on the Turnpike up to Rt 44? That could be another 15-20 square miles of realestate. Can anyone dig into that on the Sumter County tax map site to verify?

WOW, if that's happening, Brownwood would be the center of "The Villages 2040". This just boggles the mind. The Villages could grow to maybe 250,000+ residents by then!!

How about a monorail from Brownwood to a bullet train station at the Turnpike direct to Tampa or Orlando? You never know with The Morse's future plans. They always seem to be thinking 10 years ahead of the curve.

[Cedwards38]

This is some incredible information. Kudos to this team of investigators and reporters.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by CatskillBill

Here's an ad for almost 650 acres for sale near the new interchange. Not sure how old this is or if it has been bought by The Villages machine yet.

http://control.cisdata.net/bin/filel...7c9a19868cf4b/

Also heard a rumor that they bought up everything from the Coleman Federal Correctional Facility (Rt 501/Rt 470 boundary) northeast to the other side of the Okahumpka Service Plaza on the Turnpike up to Rt 44? That could be another 15-20 square miles of realestate. Can anyone dig into that on the Sumter County tax map site to verify?

WOW, if that's happening, Brownwood would be the center of "The Villages 2040". This just boggles the mind. The Villages could grow to maybe 250,000+ residents by then!!

How about a monorail from Brownwood to a bullet train station at the Turnpike direct to Tampa or Orlando? You never know with The Morse's future plans. They always seem to be thinking 10 years ahead of the curve.

If you are going to dream, might as well dream big! Just a reminder-----6 or 7 years so ago the i75 interchange at 466 west of TV was rumored a "done deal". Anybody seen them "scratching around" out there building that interchange?

[Jim 9922]

Originally Posted by justjim

If you are going to dream, might as well dream big! Just a reminder-----6 or 7 years so ago the i75 interchange at 466 west of TV was rumored a "done deal". Anybody seen them "scratching around" out there building that interchange?

Over the years, lots of trial balloons and P/R releases; Buffalo Ridge, a BIG regional shopping mall; bowling alleys in all major town centers; clay court tennis complexes scattered about; neighborhood resturants (Silver Lake, Chula, Santiago); I-75 interchange, just to name a few. But economic realities and tougher planning eventually take hold. So goes life in business, and we are living in a big business.
IMO they have done very well by us so far!

[jblum315]

Maybe The Villages will someday be a giant theme park.
After all, when Disney first started talking about Epcot, he described it as an ideal small town that people would actually live in. You see where that went.

[GaryW]

Originally Posted by justjim

If you are going to dream, might as well dream big! Just a reminder-----6 or 7 years so ago the i75 interchange at 466 west of TV was rumored a "done deal". Anybody seen them "scratching around" out there building that interchange?

That was a different story,,, My company was doing the one on 466 and 475. That all got stopped when the when the economy went south and the State and Fed DOT ran out of funds to do it. Got put on hold for 1 year, then put on the back burner. Still being talked about, but not in a big hurry.
Now something similar could happen, but The Villages are really pushing it. I do not see this one ending up to far on the back burner.

Alot of the rumors that get spread are from people hearing someone else say one thing, then next thing you know,, it has grown from a ant hill to Mt. Everest.

I had someone telling me yesterday that they heard the family talking about the huge mall going in at Brownwood with Macy's, and all the top of line stores. I talked to same person they said they did, and that was not the deal said. So you got to take the rumors with a grain of salt, or pepper or shot of Crown Royal.

[gmcneill]

By 2003, Villages related subsidiaries spent over $2M to purchase parcels that control all four corners of the presumed I-75/466 intersection. Those actions are insights to the developer’s intent.

Perhaps the plan at the time was to "mega-develop" that intersection as a convenient and high-profile interstate exit to what was then the fast-moving southern expansion of TV. But as justjim points out, no one has moved around any dirt out there. Inactivity could result from a combination of factors; what follows are three considerations.

Perhaps the developer “back-burnered” the project because he was unable to purchase additional parcels from adjacent landowners, effectively restricting the scope of his vision for that project.

Perhaps TV was expanding faster than what was envisioned, so the developer shifted his focus to the Turnpike/468 project. Keep in mind that it was at that same time- 2003- that the developer began a two year period of purchasing parcels in the turnpike/468 interchange area.

And, as GaryW alluded, the recession absolutely played a major role in drying up available federal a/o state funding for projects of that type.

Even if a “mega-developed” I-75/466 interchange doesn’t happen, it seems logical that the interchange will eventually be built. At worst case, because the developer still controls the land there, he has strategically placed himself an eminent domain position for when that time comes.

And in any land purchase negotiations between “our” developer and fed/state DOT representatives, I’m backing the home town guy.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by OldDave

When you do the search several come up. The first on on the list is lot 16 and it lists the villages as the owner. I don't know about the others, but the parcels are all together, basically east and northeast of Brownwood.

I'm still not seeing a connection to The Villages or Morse. If you look at parcell 16 you do see a reference to "Wildwood Villages" but note that this was the SELLER to North Tract LLC. So, unless someone can show a linkage between North Tract and The Villages, count me as skeptical that this is destined to become part of The Villages.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by gmcneill

GaryW is direct on-point. In my mind, it's not "if" that continues but "when" it will be completed.

A check of sumterpa.com GIS map of the likely Turnpike-468 intersection shows that Villages-related owners own land adjacent to and stretching out from three of the four corners of that intersection. (I deduce that the owners are Villages-related based on the address listed for the respective holding company owners).

Consequently, there is no doubt that the intersection will happen and that area will be quite developed; with an outlet-type mall the leading contender?

What foresight! The parcels were purchased over a period of a couple of years, 2003-2005.

One of the parcels is listed as agricultural-sugar cane….I am no sugar cane farmer, but judging from the GIS map, that parcel is awfully arid for a sugar cane field.

The smallest of the parcels was purchased for $200K…an exorbitant amount when compared to the prices paid for neighboring parcels. Did someone actually get the better of “the developer” in a real estate transaction!?

I am amazed at the Morse Family perspicacity, risk assessment and risk taking skills, and ability to make their visions become realities. I would never begrudge them for that.

Here again, I'm skeptical. Note that the properties owned by The Villages at the proposed exchange are really not that large and are more consistent with the proposed placement of the interchange lanes. Perhaps there may be room for a gas station/convenience store, but certainly not a mall of any sort. Now, if you could show a link between Bigham Hide company and TV, then I would agree that there may be a TV-owned mall in that area's future. Bigham owns quite a bit of property in that area.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by CatskillBill

Here's an ad for almost 650 acres for sale near the new interchange. Not sure how old this is or if it has been bought by The Villages machine yet.

http://control.cisdata.net/bin/filel...7c9a19868cf4b/

Also heard a rumor that they bought up everything from the Coleman Federal Correctional Facility (Rt 501/Rt 470 boundary) northeast to the other side of the Okahumpka Service Plaza on the Turnpike up to Rt 44? That could be another 15-20 square miles of realestate. Can anyone dig into that on the Sumter County tax map site to verify?

WOW, if that's happening, Brownwood would be the center of "The Villages 2040". This just boggles the mind. The Villages could grow to maybe 250,000+ residents by then!!

How about a monorail from Brownwood to a bullet train station at the Turnpike direct to Tampa or Orlando? You never know with The Morse's future plans. They always seem to be thinking 10 years ahead of the curve.

The fact that this property is not owned by TV and is up for sale would argue against its potential inclusion into TV. My guess is that if Morse wanted to include this area into The Villages, he would have proactively contacted the owner and made a deal. He would not have waited for it to go on the market before acting.

I hate to be a buzz-kill and enjoy a good rumor as much as anyone, but there needs to be more facts associated with the rumor than the above-related speculations for me to become a believer.

[OldDave]

Lot 16-7 west of the lake is listed as owned by The Villages Properties. If you go down by the proposed interchange with the turnpike you'll see several lots listed as Mid Florida Properties LLC, with an address of 1020 LAKE SUMTER LNDG THE VILLAGES, FL 32162. That is the address of the Citizens Bank in Lake Sumter and the same address listed for The Villages Properties.

[cquick]

Originally Posted by justjim

If you are going to dream, might as well dream big! Just a reminder-----6 or 7 years so ago the i75 interchange at 466 west of TV was rumored a "done deal". Anybody seen them "scratching around" out there building that interchange?

a few months ago I saw surveyors at the intersection of (I75 and 468). so, I think the rumors are true