Originally Posted by graciegirl

it could be the marketing tactic of the grocery store chains too.

Nahhh! must be the developer.

Originally Posted by Taj44

Why should we have to pay higher prices at grocery stores here just because they happen to be golf cart accessible? They have a terrific market here - 80,000 + retired people guarantees a pretty good profit even if they keep their prices what they should be. And I do expect if Morse wasn't charging premium rents, and taking a cut of profits, our prices at the local stores would be lower.

I think it is great that we not only know more than the developer of the Villages, but we know more than the owners of big supermarket chains.
How did they ever manage without us? Watch out NASA - you're next!

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Taj44

Why should we have to pay higher prices at grocery stores here just because they happen to be golf cart accessible? They have a terrific market here - 80,000 + retired people guarantees a pretty good profit even if they keep their prices what they should be. And I do expect if Morse wasn't charging premium rents, and taking a cut of profits, our prices at the local stores would be lower.

The exit door is always open.

[Dirigo]

Originally Posted by Taj44

Why should we have to pay higher prices at grocery stores here just because they happen to be golf cart accessible? They have a terrific market here - 80,000 + retired people guarantees a pretty good profit even if they keep their prices what they should be. And I do expect if Morse wasn't charging premium rents, and taking a cut of profits, our prices at the local stores would be lower.

Because this is America, Man...the price is "whatever the market will bear". And lots of folks here have a sufficient level of wealth that they don't sweat the grocery prices (I'm not one of them, but I don't clip coupons either, yet).

[Mikeod]

Aren't the flyers for SweetBay, Publix, and Winn-Dixie regional, including stores out of TV? When I shop at these chains in Jacksonville and St. Augustine I don't see noticeably lower prices across the board. If there is a premium for those stores on TV property, it can't be significant to their overall pricing.

I don't shop Food4Less or Aldi, so I can't compare them.

[Taj44]

Originally Posted by Dirigo

Because this is America, Man...the price is "whatever the market will bear". And lots of folks here have a sufficient level of wealth that they don't sweat the grocery prices (I'm not one of them, but I don't clip coupons either, yet).

I agree with you up to a point - it is obviously what the market will bear, but that doesn't make it right. You have 80,000 retirees, an aging community where a certain percentage have trouble driving a car, and so take golf carts, etc., and they're taking advantage to make even more money than they normally would. I'm not blasting the stores, I guess I'm blasting Morse. His cut is what is behind all this. If he was just taking a small percentage it would be one thing, but from what everyone is saying, it is much more than that. I'm not in a situation where it affects me financially i.e. I'm not a coupon clipper either, but the principle of the thing bothers me, just saying. I don't like to be taken advantage of.

[BobKat1]

Originally Posted by BOMBERO

I think it is great that we not only know more than the developer of the Villages, but we know more than the owners of big supermarket chains.
How did they ever manage without us? Watch out NASA - you're next!

If NASA is next, can brain surgery be far behind??

[Pathel]

Originally Posted by Taj44

I agree with you up to a point - it is obviously what the market will bear, but that doesn't make it right. You have 80,000 retirees, an aging community where a certain percentage have trouble driving a car, and so take golf carts, etc., and they're taking advantage to make even more money than they normally would. I'm not blasting the stores, I guess I'm blasting Morse. His cut is what is behind all this. If he was just taking a small percentage it would be one thing, but from what everyone is saying, it is much more than that. I'm not in a situation where it affects me financially i.e. I'm not a coupon clipper either, but the principle of the thing bothers me, just saying. I don't like to be taken advantage of.

I respect what the Morse family has done to build such a wonderful community. There is no other place in the WORLD like it.

Maybe you need to learn something from them. I bet they were and still are coupon clippers. Wise consumers - wise people.

I have a few bucks and one of the reason I do is because I am a coupon clipper. All those pennies I saved from using coupons in my younger years, I invested.

It's the American way.

[Jim 9922]

Originally Posted by BobKat1

If NASA is next, can brain surgery be far behind??

I'd settle for us fixing Congress!!

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by Jim 9922

I'd settle for us fixing Congress!!

Fixing Congress? No, I think FLUSHING it would be more effective.

[Taj44]

Originally Posted by Pathel

I respect what the Morse family has done to build such a wonderful community. There is no other place in the WORLD like it.

Maybe you need to learn something from them. I bet they were and still are coupon clippers. Wise consumers - wise people.

I have a few bucks and one of the reason I do is because I am a coupon clipper. All those pennies I saved from using coupons in my younger years, I invested.

It's the American way.

I respect what this community is as well. However it would be just as good if not better, if the Morse's weren't so greedy. And any money you might save using coupons is offset by their cut on the groceries that they take from the stores, to put it in perspective. I personally think a guy with 3 jets, a yacht half the length of a football field, many multimillion dollar homes, etc., is probably not a coupon-clipper. Just my opinion.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Taj44

I respect what this community is as well. However it would be just as good if not better, if the Morse's weren't so greedy. And any money you might save using coupons is offset by their cut on the groceries that they take from the stores, to put it in perspective. I personally think a guy with 3 jets, a yacht half the length of a football field, many multimillion dollar homes, etc., is probably not a coupon-clipper. Just my opinion.

I have met a few wealthy people and all of them continued to be careful with their money. It is part of the reason they became wealthy.

There is no shame in having possessions if you work hard to get them.

Being successful and having money doesn't make a person bad and amassing more doesn't mean they are greedy.

Only losers go into business to lose money.

[Taj44]

Obviously there is a line between greed and making a reasonable profit. You have to look at the definition of greed - which is excessive desire for wealth and possessions. Essentially, greed is when you extort, rip off or even steal to get more money.

A case in point is the $40 million class action lawsuit filed against the Developer. Its shameful that things had to go that far, just so amenity services and facilities would be maintained. A non-greedy businessman would have admitted that things needed to be fixed, that there was a problem, and gone ahead and done the right thing. It seems to me that if Morse had really cared about the status of the facilities and services in The Villages, he would not have to be prodded by a lawsuit to do what is good for the community and what he was morally and legally responsible for.

The the whole IRS bond thing is another issue the Villagers have been saddled with, thanks to the "business acumen" of the Morses. It remains to be seen how it will be resolved, but certainly has the potential to cost us Villagers hundreds of millions of dollars. If that happened, I expect there would have to be another class action lawsuit to get the Morses to do what is right.

Do I love the Villages? Yes, I enjoy most aspects of it. Do I think the Morse's are taking advantage of the seniors here? You betcha. I'm sure a bunch of Morse cronies will be on shortly to disagree, which is their right, but there have been many, many posts decrying the business tactics of the Morse family, and it has been covered heavily in the media. You can bury your head in the sand and ignore it all, but it isn't going away. Only losers let themselves get taken advantage of.

[SgtJohn]

Originally Posted by Taj44

Obviously there is a line between greed and making a reasonable profit. You have to look at the definition of greed - which is excessive desire for wealth and possessions. Essentially, greed is when you extort, rip off or even steal to get more money.

A case in point is the $40 million class action lawsuit filed against the Developer. Its shameful that things had to go that far, just so amenity services and facilities would be maintained. A non-greedy businessman would have admitted that things needed to be fixed, that there was a problem, and gone ahead and done the right thing. It seems to me that if Morse had really cared about the status of the facilities and services in The Villages, he would not have to be prodded by a lawsuit to do what is good for the community and what he was morally and legally responsible for.

The the whole IRS bond thing is another issue the Villagers have been saddled with, thanks to the "business acumen" of the Morses. It remains to be seen how it will be resolved, but certainly has the potential to cost us Villagers hundreds of millions of dollars. If that happened, I expect there would have to be another class action lawsuit to get the Morses to do what is right.

Do I love the Villages? Yes, I enjoy most aspects of it. Do I think the Morse's are taking advantage of the seniors here? You betcha. I'm sure a bunch of Morse cronies will be on shortly to disagree, which is their right, but there have been many, many posts decrying the business tactics of the Morse family, and it has been covered heavily in the media. You can bury your head in the sand and ignore it all, but it isn't going away. Only losers let themselves get taken advantage of.

Really ?

[Bogie Shooter]

[QUOTE=Taj44;426773]Obviously there is a line between greed and making a reasonable profit. You have to look at the definition of greed - which is excessive desire for wealth and possessions. Essentially, greed is when you extort, rip off or even steal to get more money.

A case in point is the $40 million class action lawsuit filed against the Developer. Its shameful that things had to go that far, just so amenity services and facilities would be maintained. A non-greedy businessman would have admitted that things needed to be fixed, that there was a problem, and gone ahead and done the right thing. It seems to me that if Morse had really cared about the status of the facilities and services in The Villages, he would not have to be prodded by a lawsuit to do what is good for the community and what he was morally and legally responsible for.

The the whole IRS bond thing is another issue the Villagers have been saddled with, thanks to the "business acumen" of the Morses. It remains to be seen how it will be resolved, but certainly has the potential to cost us Villagers hundreds of millions of dollars. If that happened, I expect there would have to be another class action lawsuit to get the Morses to do what is right.

Do I love the Villages? Yes, I enjoy most aspects of it. Do I think the Morse's are taking advantage of the seniors here? You betcha. I'm sure a bunch of Morse cronies will be on shortly to disagree, which is their right, but there have been many, many posts decrying the business tactics of the Morse family, and it has been covered heavily in the media. You can bury your head in the sand and ignore it all, but it isn't going away. Only losers let themselves get taken advantage of.[/QUOTE]

Because you are a resident, do you put yourself in the losers category?