[Chatbrat]

Residential contractors bid per box--employees are paid hourly--@ least thats the way it was in NJ

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by krash

Granted, it did take place 11 years ago, BUT, it WAS a newly built house. Don't you think these things are still going on?

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Probably not.

[krash]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Probably not.

Really...... Why? What has changed?


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[maureenod]

Originally Posted by krash

Our new home that we bought back in 2007 also had problems of leaking pipes behind walls, leaking window sills, and a box of shingles left on the roof that were not discovered until we wanted to enclose our lanai. The guest bathroom tub did not drain, and we found chunks of garbage and construction debris in the pipe.
We tore out the cheap carpet to install tile, and found under the carpet were a dozen cigarette butts and some food greasy wrappers. It finally dawned on us why stains were appearing although we never spilled anything. When we took out the formica counters, we found more cigarette butts, soda cans, chicken bones, food wrappers, and lots of dead cockroaches on the floor behind the cabinets.
Quality control is definitely lacking.


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With all the rubbish behind kitchen cabinets, especially sofa cans, cabinets would not fit. Nearly everyone has replaced carpet and, i believe, no one has posted finding rubbish under carpet. Me thinks you are making the whole story up.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Chatbrat

Residential contractors bid per box--employees are paid hourly--@ least thats the way it was in NJ

That's NOT the way it's done here, in sunny Fla. , where the people who do the electrical work don't even need to be licensed. Only 1 person in the company office needs a license.

[thetruth]

We bought new 3 years ago. Not sure if it has changed but we got good service from both the builder and the home warranty people.
SUGGESTION-if I recall you have a one year warranty with two years on the plumbing. For about $500 you can hire a licensed home insector close to the end of the first year to point out any issues he/she can find in your construction.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by thetruth

We bought new 3 years ago. Not sure if it has changed but we got good service from both the builder and the home warranty people.
SUGGESTION-if I recall you have a one year warranty with two years on the plumbing. For about $500 you can hire a licensed home insector close to the end of the first year to point out any issues he/she can find in your construction.

The 2 year warranty is only for the building "systems". It will not cover individual plumbing fixtures, such as toilets, sinks, faucets, etc. Those are only warranted for 1 year.

[redwitch]

Bruce, you had some serious bad luck. Most new construction here has minor repairs in the first year. The biggest issues are with the lawns and drainage and good luck getting home warranty to do anything about that.

Yes, the homes go up incredibly fast. TV and its builders have it down to a fine art. Since they don’t like coming back and doing more than minor touch ups, they do their best to get it right the first time. Succeed more often than not. If you decide to move, don’t be afraid of a new build. What happened to you is rare.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by maureenod

With all the rubbish behind kitchen cabinets, especially sofa cans, cabinets would not fit. Nearly everyone has replaced carpet and, i believe, no one has posted finding rubbish under carpet. Me thinks you are making the whole story up.

They broom swept every evening when our home was bring built. I am skeptical too. Everyone reading this who are concerned should go in the evening and walk through homes under construction in the new areas. I bet you won't find cigarette buts and sandwiches. We occasionally still look at new homes being built just out of curiosity.

[vintageogauge]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

My "guess" is that the vast majority of actual construction workers...are paid hourly.

I was referring to the actual assigned TV employed Builder, not his or her workers.

[krash]

For those of you who don't believe the cigarette butt and garbage.... did YOU yourself physically rip out your carpets and formica, or have it done by the contractor? WE did the ripping out, and I'm telling you what I found. I don't give a hoot if you are thinking I made this up or not. I have nothing to gain or lose. I am just telling you about MY experience 11 years ago.

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[vintageogauge]

There were builders in here 11 years ago that were tossed out due to problems arising and yours might have been one of those builders. I do remember Liberty Park having a lot of problems with a particular builder and that would have been around 11 years ago I believe. In February of 07 there were a ton of homes heavily damaged and water soaked by the tornado and because of that when we were looking we were not interested in any homes that were standing prior to the tornado, who knows what the repairs could be hiding in those homes.

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by krash

Our new home that we bought back in 2007 also had problems of leaking pipes behind walls, leaking window sills, and a box of shingles left on the roof that were not discovered until we wanted to enclose our lanai. The guest bathroom tub did not drain, and we found chunks of garbage and construction debris in the pipe.
We tore out the cheap carpet to install tile, and found under the carpet were a dozen cigarette butts and some food greasy wrappers. It finally dawned on us why stains were appearing although we never spilled anything. When we took out the formica counters, we found more cigarette butts, soda cans, chicken bones, food wrappers, and lots of dead cockroaches on the floor behind the cabinets.
Quality control is definitely lacking.


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Originally Posted by maureenod

With all the rubbish behind kitchen cabinets, especially sofa cans, cabinets would not fit. Nearly everyone has replaced carpet and, i believe, no one has posted finding rubbish under carpet. Me thinks you are making the whole story up.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

They broom swept every evening when our home was bring built. I am skeptical too. Everyone reading this who are concerned should go in the evening and walk through homes under construction in the new areas. I bet you won't find cigarette buts and sandwiches. We occasionally still look at new homes being built just out of curiosity.

Oh my! I see here that the TOTV Kangaroo Court is in session.

krash, I also see you joined in 2007, which is the same year I did. If you read TOTV on a regular basis, you have probably observed how predictable it is that someone who says something considered "negative" about TV -- in any way, at all -- comes under an almost immediate personal attack. krash, may I present your defense, pro bono.

(At this point. Boomer gets up and walks over to address the jury.)

"Ladies and Gentleman of the TOTV Jury, I am asking you to think a little further about what has been reported about the mess revealed in a 2007 build.

Let's look at a little TV history: If you will recall, 2007 was the height of the bubble. (2007 was the year I was in TV, for the first time. That was when a sales rep in an open house in Amelia told us we had to BUY NOW or we would be sooooooo sorry.)

In 2007 TV could not build houses fast enough. Retirees coming in had been able to sell their houses, in other places, in record time, for record prices, and were coming on down, cash-in-hand.

In fact, 2007 was just at the tail end of the days when buyers were being given a half hour to make up their minds -- or it was on to the next person on the list. (I think it was a half hour -- might have been a little longer, but not much.)

TVers who wanted to change houses could sell fast, too. Sometimes on Sundays, people would peek in at new builds to try to see if they wanted to get on the hot list.

2007 was a building frenzy. Just imagine the pressure those contractors and crews were under. Maybe there were even extra contractors being brought in.

If you really think about it, there most certainly could have been a few houses where things like our OP has described -- in detail -- happened.

(If I may digress:

I have a memory of watching bricklayers working on a house up north. Those guys did not know that I could read what some of them were writing, in a little mortar, underneath those bricks -- writing things about their buddies who were working close to them -- and making sure it was seen by said buddy. That was all being done in innocent fun -- hurt nothing -- but just imagine when the archeologists unearth that house. Yeah. I know. Not the same as garbage, but interesting to know about -- to me anyway.)

My point is that I think our OP is telling the truth. It is an incident trapped in time. That does not mean it happened on every house.

I hope the TOTV Jury will reconsider. There was no need to try and convict. I think reasonable doubt should be in play here. How can there be a conviction that is not beyond reasonable doubt?"


Addendum: We eventually bought a house. 7 years later than 2007.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Oh my! I see here that the TOTV Kangaroo Court is in session.

krash, I also see you joined in 2007, which is the same year I did. If you read TOTV on a regular basis, you have probably observed how predictable it is that someone who says something considered "negative" about TV -- in any way, at all -- comes under an almost immediate personal attack. krash, may I present your defense, pro bono.

But, but, but, isn't any (even perceived) criticism of TV/'Da Family' considered at a minimum Un-American...and at worst blasphemous?

While I will defer to your much longer experience here in TV, we were told on our first renting here a little less than 10 years ago that..."resistance is futile, you WILL be assimilated."

Or something like that.

My hats off to you though counselor, for your valiant attempt...at providing a more balanced viewpoint.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

But, but, but, isn't any (even perceived) criticism of TV/'Da Family' considered at a minimum Un-American...and at worst blasphemous?

While I will defer to your much longer experience here in TV, we were told on our first renting here a little less than 10 years ago that..."resistance is futile, you WILL be assimilated."

Or something like that.

My hats off to you though counselor, for your valiant attempt...at providing a more balanced viewpoint.

If you ruffle da feathers long enough you get lucky and the some of the defenders go on sabbatical for a few days allowing other points of view and experience equal time.