[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by UpNorth

And the CDC also said that the vaccinated carry just as much spreadable viral load as the unvaccinated. No need to point the blame here. In fact, perhaps the vaccinated have been doing much of the spreading. They were the ones told it was ok to take off their masks.

Total nonsense. There is a study that suggests the vaccinated have a nasal carriage load "indistinguishable" from the unvaccinated as far as delta variant goes. That's a long stretch to "spreading", and an even longer stretch to spreading it to another vaccinated individual. I would suggest almost all the "spreading" is unvaccinated to unvaccinated

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

How about translating that into "mundane non-scientist English" for all the normal people here?

I thought that was pretty clear.

Bottom line---the more generations of viral mutations, the more contagious but less deadly it becomes (in general). Eventually you are left with something like the common cold (some of which are coronaviruses already)

[dewilson58]

Wonder if the starter will stop giving me the stink-eye when I say I'll take my own cart.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Wonder if the starter will stop giving me the stink-eye when I say I'll take my own cart.

Probably not. But unless the rules change, prepare to stay on the cart path and walk a lot

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

How about transla"ting that into "mundane non-scientist English" for all the normal people here?

"Normal people here" oh you optimist you !!

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

How about translating that into "mundane non-scientist English" for all the normal people here?

Ok, so let's make it a little easier.

R0 (R Nought) is the basic replication of a disease. Measles is super high. Each person who gets the measles, spreads it to 12 to 18 other people.

Original Sars-cov2, I.E. The Corona Virus, is somewhere north of 2 and somewhere south of 4. I.e R0 of 2-4.

The Delta Variant is much greater than that for two reasons. One, it's easier for the human body to recognize there is a protein that needs some help. That's what the Arginines are.

A Protease is a helper enzyme, and super simplifying it here, Sees those bits of the corona virus that are asking for help(arginines) and dissolves them. This allows the virus payload to get injected into the cell.

With 3 arginines sitting there on the stalk of the spike protein, it's really easy for the body to see this and help the poor little virus that can't do anything without some help.

The other reason Delta is so contagious is that the amount of viral shedding seems to be much much greater and sooner in the infection process. This again, is probably because it's so much easier for the protease to come along and dissolve those arginines. I.e. it infects FASTER.

As to the final part, the last I read out of Isreal is that while infections are way up, deaths are way down. This is a good thing. This means herd immunity will be achieved much sooner.

Delta is also getting though Vaccinated folks, pretty regular too. I don't know what the numbers are, but I do know two ladies in my sister's golf group, both fully vaxxed got the delta. Sinus infection, coughing, but on the mend already. Shrug, no idea what those numbers are as far as push through, but it's higher than I would like to see, but being that this disease seems to have lost a lot of it's deadliness, let 'er rip.

[Hans53]

900 % spike in Del Rio where the migrants cross.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

al-Jazeera????? Don't even mention that name in my presence. I lost 2 high school classmates on 9/11/01, my brother and nephew were nearby, another friend was almost hit by a jumper. WE MUST NEVER FORGET!!!

And al-Jazeera can go F*** itself

I think maybe you are thinking of something else.

al-Jazeera English is pretty neutral, because they focus on global news rather than just one country or another. They do tend to be critical of the USA but their criticism is from the perspective of the world, not the introverted perspective of American journalism.

al-Jazeera American tends to a less critical perspective of America, because that's where they're stationed. Most of the stuff I read on al-Jazeera doesn't bring up any particular emotion against my country. It's mostly just facts of "this happened" and "this person has this education" and the usual who what where when and how. The "why" they leave to editorials, OR to statements from whoever they're talking about.

They were banned from China and censored by them for a piece they did on China's prison system, and Egypt jailed 3 of their journalists for reporting on the country's Coup d'etat in 2013.

The journalists were ultimately pardoned but their arrest and imprisonment was a world-wide story that brought people from around the globe to protest against Egypt for suppressing facts that al-Jazeera had reported on.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The only two "good" reasons for not vaccinating is
1. You're under the recommended age and
2. You have an underlying medical condition that would make it too risky. Allergies to the ingredients of the carrier liquid of the vaccine, allergy to the metal of the needle, significant immune system problem that increases the risks of the "bad" side effects AND increases the risks of complications of the immune system problem...etc.

My sister would get vaccinated but she has way too many medical issues right now, and the risk of adding even one more could put her over the top and into a hospital. She's already had COVID-19 and recovered with some permanent increase in her asthma, she has tons of antibodies, and gets tested regularly. When she got sick with COVID last year she was sick, with symptoms, for a couple of months.

Anyone who is NOT at risk according to a valid actual real-live diagnosis/prognosis from their licensed medical practitioner - should get vaccinated. They should already have been vaccinated. If they were, we probably wouldn't have needed to go back to masks again. Virus mutations occur only when they have enough hosts to pick. The more people who can fight off the virus, the harder it is for the virus to mutate.

HUH?
I've never heard of people allergic to the metal in the needles.
Sister has too many medical issues to take the vaccine but has recovered from covid 19. If, so certainly unusual.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I think maybe you are thinking of something else.

al-Jazeera English is pretty neutral, because they focus on global news rather than just one country or another. They do tend to be critical of the USA but their criticism is from the perspective of the world, not the introverted perspective of American journalism.

al-Jazeera American tends to a less critical perspective of America, because that's where they're stationed. Most of the stuff I read on al-Jazeera doesn't bring up any particular emotion against my country. It's mostly just facts of "this happened" and "this person has this education" and the usual who what where when and how. The "why" they leave to editorials, OR to statements from whoever they're talking about.

They were banned from China and censored by them for a piece they did on China's prison system, and Egypt jailed 3 of their journalists for reporting on the country's Coup d'etat in 2013.

The journalists were ultimately pardoned but their arrest and imprisonment was a world-wide story that brought people from around the globe to protest against Egypt for suppressing facts that al-Jazeera had reported on.

Thank you, and you are probably right. However, that day was far too personal for me being from NY for the reasons I already stated. And what I didn't mention is that my son was in the air when it happened, flying from Phoenix TO Boston. When the FAA order came through the pilot put that plane on the ground in Indianapolis from 37,000 feet in about 4 minutes!

Maybe if al-Jazeera America changed it's name to apple pie instead of that Arabic gibberish I'd be less critical.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

prepare to stay on the cart path and walk a lot

I enjoy the exercise, plus it helps me keep my girlish figure.

[camaguey48]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

I'm not sure that is going to happen.

This is far from a tempest in a teapot. It is a worldwide movement: Italy, France, Australia, the UK, and other countries have all seen huge rallies against mandatory vaccines and mandatory mask-wearing. We don't hear or read about those much in this country, but foreign sources cover them pretty well.

Is destroying businesses and economies a fair price to pay for further control of a disease that is overall something like 99% survivable? I think that is the question that people are asking themselves right now.

According to the ministry of propaganda and thought reform, we will all die if we don't vaccinate and wear a mask. Why? We shouldn't be afraid if we do both those things. Right? Don't believe anything coming from the fearmongers. Even salt looks like sugar.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I think maybe you are thinking of something else.

al-Jazeera English is pretty neutral, because they focus on global news rather than just one country or another. They do tend to be critical of the USA but their criticism is from the perspective of the world, not the introverted perspective of American journalism.

al-Jazeera American tends to a less critical perspective of America, because that's where they're stationed. Most of the stuff I read on al-Jazeera doesn't bring up any particular emotion against my country. It's mostly just facts of "this happened" and "this person has this education" and the usual who what where when and how. The "why" they leave to editorials, OR to statements from whoever they're talking about.

They were banned from China and censored by them for a piece they did on China's prison system, and Egypt jailed 3 of their journalists for reporting on the country's Coup d'etat in 2013.

The journalists were ultimately pardoned but their arrest and imprisonment was a world-wide story that brought people from around the globe to protest against Egypt for suppressing facts that al-Jazeera had reported on.

We tend to think everything is new. All news is biased. I read a book about the Wright Brothers. First powered flight was 1903. They were a world event. They wrote tons of letters etc and many still exist. Interesting to me. They criticized the same things we discuss today. Reporters, not knowing, understanding what they were reporting.
Reporters, feeding off each others misinformation. Powered flight and flight were world
competition. The Wright Brothers complained about reporters national bias.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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I fully expect us, here in The Villages and much of the U.S. to go back to "masking up" indoors yet again. The new variant is surging rapidly according to the data, esp here in Florida. Here we go again.

1. We are fully Moderna vaccinated and would absolutely get a booster when available.
2. The only times we HAD to 'mask up' indoors in the last few months was a) in the doctor's office b) on the airplanes.
3. I am still furious that China got away with starting this whole matter. I'll leave it as that.

Are YOU ready to go back to the future with Covid??? grrrr.
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I take it you didn’t watch the news last night?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by DAVES

HUH?
I've never heard of people allergic to the metal in the needles.
Sister has too many medical issues to take the vaccine but has recovered from covid 19. If, so certainly unusual.

Yes, she is one of the minority who is not recommended to be vaccinated. She's the type where - if an illness OR medication can come with potential adverse side effects, she gets them.

So if a vaccine could come with adverse side effects, she is likely to be "that person" who gets the side effects.

Since she's already immuno-compromised, additional adverse side effects could end her up in the hospital, having organ surgery, or dead. It's also possible that absolutely nothing bad would happen on top of her current medical issues. But for her, the risk is greater than the potential reward, so she's acting on the side of caution.

As for metal allergies - syringe needles are made of stainless steel, which contains small amounts of nickel. While most people with nickel allergies can tolerate it ON their skin (such as snaps of shirts and zippers of pants), it's possible to have a reaction when it is inserted under the skin. Not common. But possible. For anyone who IS allergic to nickel, it's something they have to consider and prepare for, whenever they might need an injection of anything.