[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by La lamy

I wouldn't be so concerned about short term rental, or try to have them banned. I bet all of us who own a place started out renting for a few months, in various areas, before we committed to buying a home. And don't we all say to newbies "explore a few places for a few months before buying"! Yes it's always ideal to have long term neighbours to make friends with, but short term rentals aren't necessarily a nuisance.

I am opposed to daily rentals under any circumstance. As for regular rentals I don't mind if they are at least over 55. I did not move into an "over 55 retirement community" to live next to a house full of 20 yr olds. We have several rentals in our neighborhood that have been no problem at all until one became a by the night v r b o. We finally made the owner so miserable with our complaining that she sold the house. We are all praying that we don't get another.

[Justputt]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Thinking out loud - are not neighborhood driveway parties with loud music, street blocked off, many loud and drinking people a very similar situation to a short term rental issue? What about the neighbor that does not wish to participate in the driveway party. We have rec centers and town squares. I understood the driveway parties with COVID issue but why is this an acceptable situation now all the venues are reopened ?

I believe I read somewhere there is a noise ordinance with limits set to 25' (without a permit, I assume), and the offender can be cited. If they can be heard beyond 25', report them if it bothers you that much. It won't make you any friends, so I'd always trying asking them first.

[Justputt]

I understand the concerns, but I think I would be more bothered if I had just paid +/- $500k for a home and someone tried to tell what I could/couldn't do with my own home! The outside limits that require ARC okay are fine, but in my home.... no.

Know the ordinances regarding noise, etc. and use them judiciously when you feel you need to push a neighbor that rents. I don't care too much about renters as long as they aren't disruptive, but if they are and the owner is no help, use the system. Over the years and in many states, I would have gladly traded some owner neighbors for renters!!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Justputt

I believe I read somewhere there is a noise ordinance with limits set to 25' (without a permit, I assume), and the offender can be cited. If they can be heard beyond 25', report them if it bothers you that much. It won't make you any friends, so I'd always trying asking them first.

I believe that ordinance has to do with music heard from cars.

25' is about half the distance across the inside of my home. My wife and I can talk at a normal volume from that distance and hear each other just fine. We all would be in violation just for talking if that was the actual ordinance.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And most of the time they probably aren't-------until-----you get one next door to you. Here's a repost from another thread by someone who has 10 such STRs in their immediate neighborhood:

You stated you do not have strs in your neighborhood. Let me share my experience.
1. You wake up and trash has been put out when it is not collection day. Animals ripped open the bags and trash has littered your yard. Cars are blocking your driveway because the renters have guests. The renters dog is barking and woke you up early. There are arguments, whistling, shouting, doors slamming, loud engines that wake you up from a peaceful sleep. The renters are on the lanai naked. Their children are running around. I can go on!

2. You go on with your day. Come home and your driveway is blocked (again) or someone has parked on your lawn. Or, a renter knocks on your door asking you to resolve an issue they are having at the rented house. Or, they want to borrow a bike, or some golf clubs, or a pot or pan, or whatever! Or, their dog is barking loud. Or they need some information, or they want directions, or recommendations. Or their children are recklessly playing on the street. Some even ask to watch/feed their pets while they go to Disney.

3. You have a nice dinner, take a stroll on the square, come home and the renters are having a party. Loud and noisy. Or, they are drinkers and are talking loud, and using foul language. Or, they are having a loud argument. Or, their children are screaming and crying. Or, they are with their spouse getting it on in a loud fashion. Or they have entered your lawn to take a p#ss. Or the TV or music is blaring. Or their dog is barking. Or some think it is funny to howl at a full moon. I can go on!

So. It is my job to pick up the renter's trash, knock on the door and tell them to move their cars hoping they do not get beligerent with me(which most do), give out my belongings, go over to the house to assist with a problem, act as a concierge, reprimand their children and babysit their pets. Then, before I go to sleep, go over to the renters and tell them to keep the noise level down or I will call the police. Only to be told F#### off!

How is any of this my responsibility? Oh! Call the owner? Because that is the neighborly thing to do? Good luck with that! He is too busy playing golf and I am probably just overreacting. The action he takes? "Don't worry, they are only here for a few days. They will be gone before you know it, but thanks for letting me know." And, getting him to come over at night and quiet the neighbors or call the police? His answer. "I really don't find that necessary." He gets a good night sleep and I don't.

Enter a new renter- same results.

I have every right to demand the owner of his rental monitor his home. And, yes! 3 times a day! In the morning to pick up their trash, in the afternoon to make certain cars are not blocking driveways or to check if the renters need something, or if pets/children are out of hand. Then, once again, at night to check if there is loud noise and police may need to be called. If the renters were at a hotel, the hotel has staff and security to do this. If they are at an apartment building, staff and security is there, as well. Why shouldn't the owner of an STR have that responsibility?

Long term renters can be as bad. People who rent in the Villages are here to have a good time.They are not here to follow the rules of the community. Most do not even know the rules. You nicely tell them, and they respond with a F### Off!

There is a reason new laws have been enacted in NYC that address THESE SAME issues I am having. It is reasonable to believe people on vacation act the same way throughout the USA. Hopefully, the same laws will be enacted here in the Villages. Especially, the rule that states the owner must be present in the rental.

Note: If you do not have any renters where you live, please do not post in support of the STR owner. You have no idea what living next to a rental property is like. Reasonable people would not call others unreasonable if they have never experienced something. Thank you!

Also, do not come on this thread claiming to know a lot about this issue. Then go on to talk about Clearwater being grandfathered in, government zoning and land restrictions, mineral rights, Euclid vrs Ambler, laws dating back to 2003, Govenor Scott, etc.etc. You may have knowledge but what the heck does any of it have to do with STRS in the Villages? Last I looked, Desantis is our govenor, rules have changed, no one in the Villages sells their mineral rights, govt zoning and deed restrictions are two different things, could care less about Euclid vrs Ambler, and this is 2023 not 2003! If you want to talk about your knowledge on zoning and land restrictions then start a thread on that subject.

And again, that person took events that occurred across who knows how long and many different renters and described it as her every day life. Much of what she describes I don't want happening to me at all, some of it would not bother me at all, some of it is in no way limited to renters.

But just be honest. Describe things that occur to you and provide actual frequency to it, e.g. "just over the last year, this is what I have had to deal with (or whatever time period those events have occurred). If the problems are that bad, no exaggeration or hyperbole is required to make the problems felt. If you have to exaggerate them exponentially, then maybe the problem isn't that bad. My take is the problem is very bad for her, just be honest in what you relate.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Even renters rent out rooms here in villages.

That would be a problem for the owner. How does to whom the renter pays money affect you or anyone else (other than the owner who should have a clause forbidding subleases?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

And again, that person took events that occurred across who knows how long and many different renters and described it as her every day life. Much of what she describes I don't want happening to me at all, some of it would not bother me at all, some of it is in no way limited to renters.

But just be honest. Describe things that occur to you and provide actual frequency to it, e.g. "just over the last year, this is what I have had to deal with (or whatever time period those events have occurred). If the problems are that bad, no exaggeration or hyperbole is required to make the problems felt. If you have to exaggerate them exponentially, then maybe the problem isn't that bad. My take is the problem is very bad for her, just be honest in what you relate.

OK, full disclosure, I have had absolutely no problem with it. All the homes that are in my neighborhood are $1 million+ properties and unlikely to be considered a good investment for STRs.

So now, honestly, why can't I empathize with fellow Villagers in the situation she described. Honestly, why does it have to be my personal experience to relate the angst of others? Honestly, even if she exaggerated, does that mean the problem is not real???

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

OK, full disclosure, I have had absolutely no problem with it. All the homes that are in my neighborhood are $1 million+ properties and unlikely to be considered a good investment for STRs.

So now, honestly, why can't I empathize with fellow Villagers in the situation she described. Honestly, why does it have to be my personal experience to relate the angst of others? Honestly, even if she exaggerated, does that mean the problem is not real???

All this person does is critique other people's posts, that is why I have them blocked.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

OK, full disclosure, I have had absolutely no problem with it. All the homes that are in my neighborhood are $1 million+ properties and unlikely to be considered a good investment for STRs.

So now, honestly, why can't I empathize with fellow Villagers in the situation she described. Honestly, why does it have to be my personal experience to relate the angst of others? Honestly, even if she exaggerated, does that mean the problem is not real???

Sorry if my post implied that you were not being honest. That was not my intent. You have every right (not that you need me to say that) to empathize and support and relate the angst of others. The less-than-honest was directed at the other person's post that you reposted in support of, and it being reposted without the (sort of) admission by the original poster that not all of that was in a typical day as described being conveyed also.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

All this person does is critique other people's posts, that is why I have them blocked.

Ouch. I might spend the rest of my day in my room crying.
And isn't that a critique of my posts?

Regardless, my point was 100% valid, even if people hate it when someone posts things they don't agree with.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

OK, full disclosure, I have had absolutely no problem with it. All the homes that are in my neighborhood are $1 million+ properties and unlikely to be considered a good investment for STRs.

So now, honestly, why can't I empathize with fellow Villagers in the situation she described. Honestly, why does it have to be my personal experience to relate the angst of others? Honestly, even if she exaggerated, does that mean the problem is not real???

Ahhhhhh. I just re-read my post and I clearly see why you took it that way.
The "just be honest and describe what you actually experience" was really meant to say "just be honest and describe what you actually experience or repost honest actual experiences of others." Generally speaking, if the problem is bad for you or others, extreme exaggeration should not be required to convey that.

My apologies for not being precise and clearly implying that you should not post because it didn't happen to you.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

Sorry if my post implied that you were not being honest. That was not my intent. You have every right (not that you need me to say that) to empathize and support and relate the angst of others. The less-than-honest was directed at the other person's post that you reposted in support of, and it being reposted without the (sort of) admission by the original poster that not all of that was in a typical day as described being conveyed also.

I thought it was pretty clear that her posts did not represent an average day for anyone with a STR nearby. But as a collage of snippets, I think it did convey the message about pitfalls of STRs. My only point is that the identity of TV is an active 55+ retirement community. Most of us expected that and bought into it. Yes, change happens, but a wholesale transformation into a motel shantytown is contrary to the expectation of most. And it is completely unnecessary. History tells us that the developer has no trouble selling homes as quickly as he can build them, even without a single sale to "investors". Hopefully "the family" has the wisdom to realize that.

And there ARE things that can be done to halt this trend in its tracks. There are 2 posters on these threads that would have us believe that STRs are just fine, they pose no problems, and there is nothing that can be done. WRONG. It has been done other places.
One of these 2 posters claimed that Orlando did not or could not require the property owner to be present and could rent out their entire property. WRONG. Here are the applicable rules for STR in Orlando, from the city website:

In the City of Orlando, a short term rental (STR) is a rental period of fewer than 30 days. Hosts can Apply Online for Home Sharing Registration.

The Home Sharing Ordinance has the following requirements:

*****During all guest stays, the host must be present. A resident does not have to be the property owner, but they must prove that it is their primary residence.
*****To operate as a short term rental, they must also acquire notarized permission from the landlord or owner.
*****Hosts can offer only a part of the property for rent. While STR operators are not permitted to rent out their entire house, they can rent up to half of the home’s total number of bedrooms.
*****Owners of duplexes are permitted to rent out the complete second unit provided it is of equal or smaller size and situated on the same development site.
*****Only a single STR booking at a time. The STR ordinance restricts hosts to just one booking at a time. They can have a maximum of two guests per room and no more than four non-family members at one time in a short term rental.
*****Home Owners Association’s approval is required. If applicable, hosts may also require approval from the HOA. If the property is a part of an HOA, the rental registration must be accompanied by a permission letter.
*****Proof of registration should be linked to any online advertising. Hosts must ensure that home-sharing registration proof is included with an online advertisement. The property’s online advertisement must reflect the ordinance’s criteria, such as one bedroom available for home sharing in a three-bedroom house.

So, yes there are things that can (and should be) done

[llaran]

I know at least one home purchased by the Villages for rental in a single-family home area. there was a time when it was clustered not anymore.

Also, when you purchase a home, you can do what you want with it.
Many people buy before retirement and rent it out until they are ready to move.

Originally Posted by BlueStarAirlines

The homes used for the lifestyle visits are not sprinkled throughout a village and are located in one section. There are no residents in that cluster of villas, just those on a lifestyle visit or here for their design appointment.

The key as others have mentioned is to stay away from the villas and cottages as well as villages that are close to the town squares. If you want to see a VERY heavy rental village look at Richmond.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by llaran

I know at least one home purchased by the Villages for rental in a single-family home area. there was a time when it was clustered not anymore.

Also, when you purchase a home, you can do what you want with it.
Many people buy before retirement and rent it out until they are ready to move.

You really think that?????

Try running hair salon from your home.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

You really think that?????

Try running hair salon from your home.

Or not cutting the grass, or putting landscaping in the set back or putting up a white cross.