[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Randall55

I find it remarkable that people would rather break down another's post and feel the need to correct the wording. Why not just answer the OP question. Do you know of areas in the Villages where there are no VRBOS and STRS?

Because that question was answered in the first few posts...

The rest is just discussion... Easily ignored... By some, but not all, apparently...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers

Welcome to T V! Not to be mean but... that's funny...

No, T V does zip to protect residents from ABnB's and short term rentals. Nope, nada. They do protect their own finances by you agreeing not to sell your home for a profit for 1 year.

FL requires a business license for short term rentals. Villa deed restrictions specifically say no businesses can be run out of a Villa. T V does not enforce their deed restrictions for Villas.

The business restriction specifically talks about business maintaining inventory and requiring people to come and go to participate in said business.

ie, running a clothing shop out of your house...

Now, one could argue that STRs have people "coming and going", but you'd be hard pressed to use that argument in a legal sense...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Normal

Don’t even think a designer home neighborhood is rental free, far from it. We have a designer home and have rental issues.

One would think it is much less common...

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Dlbonivich

As an owner in a deed restricted area you are entitled as owners to change deed restrictions. In the situation in the Villages I imagine your District supervisors that you vote for can do this. It will cost money probably an attorney, it can be done.

Good luck with that theory.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Dlbonivich

As an owner in a deed restricted area you are entitled as owners to change deed restrictions. In the situation in the Villages I imagine your District supervisors that you vote for can do this. It will cost money probably an attorney, it can be done.

The deed restrictions themselves don’t need to be changed. What needs to be changed is the enforcement process. Having the internal deed restriction enforcement responsibility being optional, by an entity with a HUGH conflict of interest, has proven to be a complete and total sham of the entire deed restriction concept. Deed restrict enforcement needs to be an absolute responsibility, assigned to a party with no conflict of interest, period!

[Limey]

Originally Posted by DrMack

We are purchasing in Dabney and are very excited! There is a major concern though. I have read some threads here and we know we don’t want VRBOs or short term rentals near us. Are there any places that guarantee this in the villages? We would like to take care of our new home and don’t necessarily want to to step into that kind of a mess. Any help would be appreciated.

This is one of the reasons we moved into an established neighborhood. Very few rentals and mostly full time residents. Anywhere North appears to be one of the best bets in this regard. Anywhere in the Southern part or newer areas are having a lot of **** and AirB&B problems.

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers

FL law short term rentals require a business license. Deed restrictions can block businesses from being run out of certain homes in T V. Villas are one type. NO BUSINESSES can be run out of a Villa. Its just that T V does not enforce.

That's not accurate. You cannot operate a service business with visiting clients or one involving inventory out of your home. It's worded this way in the deed. This is clearly to prevent people running nail salons, hair salons, or people selling stuff out of their garage.

Many people are running other non-intrusive businesses from their home in TV that no one seems to complain about.

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Now, one could argue that STRs have people "coming and going", but you'd be hard pressed to use that argument in a legal sense...

In my experience, the renters seem to stay in more and go out less than the average Villager once they're settled in.

[Topspinmo]

Even renters rent out rooms here in villages.

[La lamy]

Originally Posted by DrMack

We are purchasing in Dabney and are very excited! There is a major concern though. I have read some threads here and we know we don’t want VRBOs or short term rentals near us. Are there any places that guarantee this in the villages? We would like to take care of our new home and don’t necessarily want to to step into that kind of a mess. Any help would be appreciated.

I wouldn't be so concerned about short term rental, or try to have them banned. I bet all of us who own a place started out renting for a few months, in various areas, before we committed to buying a home. And don't we all say to newbies "explore a few places for a few months before buying"! Yes it's always ideal to have long term neighbours to make friends with, but short term rentals aren't necessarily a nuisance.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Limey

This is one of the reasons we moved into an established neighborhood. Very few rentals and mostly full time residents. Anywhere North appears to be one of the best bets in this regard. Anywhere in the Southern part or newer areas are having a lot of **** and AirB&B problems.

And yet don't even think of putting a 6 inch garden gnome in your front yard..... Overall, I'm willing to bet that most of would rather live next to a garden gnome than a revolving door motel with and endless variety of "occupants".

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by La lamy

I wouldn't be so concerned about short term rental, or try to have them banned. I bet all of us who own a place started out renting for a few months, in various areas, before we committed to buying a home. And don't we all say to newbies "explore a few places for a few months before buying"! Yes it's always ideal to have long term neighbours to make friends with, but short term rentals aren't necessarily a nuisance.

And most of the time they probably aren't-------until-----you get one next door to you. Here's a repost from another thread by someone who has 10 such STRs in their immediate neighborhood:

You stated you do not have strs in your neighborhood. Let me share my experience.
1. You wake up and trash has been put out when it is not collection day. Animals ripped open the bags and trash has littered your yard. Cars are blocking your driveway because the renters have guests. The renters dog is barking and woke you up early. There are arguments, whistling, shouting, doors slamming, loud engines that wake you up from a peaceful sleep. The renters are on the lanai naked. Their children are running around. I can go on!

2. You go on with your day. Come home and your driveway is blocked (again) or someone has parked on your lawn. Or, a renter knocks on your door asking you to resolve an issue they are having at the rented house. Or, they want to borrow a bike, or some golf clubs, or a pot or pan, or whatever! Or, their dog is barking loud. Or they need some information, or they want directions, or recommendations. Or their children are recklessly playing on the street. Some even ask to watch/feed their pets while they go to Disney.

3. You have a nice dinner, take a stroll on the square, come home and the renters are having a party. Loud and noisy. Or, they are drinkers and are talking loud, and using foul language. Or, they are having a loud argument. Or, their children are screaming and crying. Or, they are with their spouse getting it on in a loud fashion. Or they have entered your lawn to take a p#ss. Or the TV or music is blaring. Or their dog is barking. Or some think it is funny to howl at a full moon. I can go on!

So. It is my job to pick up the renter's trash, knock on the door and tell them to move their cars hoping they do not get beligerent with me(which most do), give out my belongings, go over to the house to assist with a problem, act as a concierge, reprimand their children and babysit their pets. Then, before I go to sleep, go over to the renters and tell them to keep the noise level down or I will call the police. Only to be told F#### off!

How is any of this my responsibility? Oh! Call the owner? Because that is the neighborly thing to do? Good luck with that! He is too busy playing golf and I am probably just overreacting. The action he takes? "Don't worry, they are only here for a few days. They will be gone before you know it, but thanks for letting me know." And, getting him to come over at night and quiet the neighbors or call the police? His answer. "I really don't find that necessary." He gets a good night sleep and I don't.

Enter a new renter- same results.

I have every right to demand the owner of his rental monitor his home. And, yes! 3 times a day! In the morning to pick up their trash, in the afternoon to make certain cars are not blocking driveways or to check if the renters need something, or if pets/children are out of hand. Then, once again, at night to check if there is loud noise and police may need to be called. If the renters were at a hotel, the hotel has staff and security to do this. If they are at an apartment building, staff and security is there, as well. Why shouldn't the owner of an STR have that responsibility?

Long term renters can be as bad. People who rent in the Villages are here to have a good time.They are not here to follow the rules of the community. Most do not even know the rules. You nicely tell them, and they respond with a F### Off!

There is a reason new laws have been enacted in NYC that address THESE SAME issues I am having. It is reasonable to believe people on vacation act the same way throughout the USA. Hopefully, the same laws will be enacted here in the Villages. Especially, the rule that states the owner must be present in the rental.

Note: If you do not have any renters where you live, please do not post in support of the STR owner. You have no idea what living next to a rental property is like. Reasonable people would not call others unreasonable if they have never experienced something. Thank you!

Also, do not come on this thread claiming to know a lot about this issue. Then go on to talk about Clearwater being grandfathered in, government zoning and land restrictions, mineral rights, Euclid vrs Ambler, laws dating back to 2003, Govenor Scott, etc.etc. You may have knowledge but what the heck does any of it have to do with STRS in the Villages? Last I looked, Desantis is our govenor, rules have changed, no one in the Villages sells their mineral rights, govt zoning and deed restrictions are two different things, could care less about Euclid vrs Ambler, and this is 2023 not 2003! If you want to talk about your knowledge on zoning and land restrictions then start a thread on that subject.

[JGibson]

Originally Posted by roypw

It’s a shame there is such bias against renters. Like posted above, many if not most home owners rented before buying. We have rented maybe a dozen times a month or 2 at a time and I must admit we were really disappointed that residents were not more friendly. We absolutely loveThe Villages but at the time couldn’t buy for family reasons but the fact that the residents seemed so UNFRIENDLY made us delay our decision even more.. We were great renters and stayed in some beautiful homes. We tried to establish neighborhood friendships with no luck at all, very unfriendly place. It wasn’t until recently we realized there was this renter bias. Not fully understanding it sure gave us a bad impression. Think about it the next time you aren’t friendly and welcome a renter. Like us they may feel they are residents just waiting for the right time to buy. We probably would have a house in The Villages if residents would have been more friendly.

So I should be happy and friendly that my neighbor turned the house next to me into a motel.
Sure I just love new neighbors every week/month it has such a great neighborhood feel to it.

TV was never meant to be a time share or resort so yes the neighbors are not going to be that friendly.

[Pegasusprt]

Rentals have always been in TV and will always be here. If you don't want rentals next to you, move. The one thing Floridians hate is people moving to Florida and trying to change things. Florida is a tourist state.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Pegasusprt

Rentals have always been in TV and will always be here. If you don't want rentals next to you, move. The one thing Floridians hate is people moving to Florida and trying to change things. Florida is a tourist state.

Hmmm.....

Everyone in Florida is a tourist and there are no retirement communities

Care to rethink that post?