[Randall55]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

If you are referring to what exists today for the Villages, that would be the deed restrictions. The deed restrictions apply to what happens at the residence. It matters greatly where the business is conducted since if it is not conducted on the residence then the deed restrictions do not apply. Eating, sleeping, cooking, and cleaning by those residing in the home are not business activities.

If you are referring to future laws then sure, the future law could be written that way and in the future that would matter, but not today.

Wake Up! One day in NYC STRs were running rampant. The next day, without notice, restrictions were placed on them, forcing some to shut down. How do you believe all this happened?

Please do not respond this is not NYC. There are state, city, and local governments in every state. If they can curtail STRS in NYC, government officials can use the same principles to curtail STRS in their area. It really isn't that difficult to understand.

I am just going to say, We shall see! I have no interest in posting anymore.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

The rules are perfectly legal, but unrelated to Florida State Law in that respect.

"Deed Restrictions" are completely distinct from Zoning Regulations ... apples and oranges.

A Deed Restriction can prohibit you from painting your house red or purple. A seller can restrict what you can do with what he/she sells you and doesn't (generally) need a reason, nor even be reasonable. The difference being, you can elect not to buy a piece of property, if you don't like the restrictions the Seller wants to impose. The only restrictions that can't be enforced, are those that violate public interest. Many home deeds in the 40's & 50's, prohibited people from selling their homes to Negros, Jews, anyone who has spent time in a mental institution ... there were all sorts of prohibitions. They have been negated by anti-discrimination laws.

A Law cannot prohibit you from painting your house red or purple, unless the state can somehow show there's a valid reason, that's in the public interest.

At a lake I live on, there's currently pressure to outlaw using "red outdoor lights" in your yard. Sounds ridiculous, right? It's distracting for boaters navigating at night and there have been several boating accidents because of the confusion. Valid reason and in the public interest.

Deed Restrictions in Florida can be changed, but do you have to?

Just do what Ft Pirce Florida initiated in 2021. They were not grandfathered before the 2011 Florida law on rentals.

Mandate hosting rules.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Randall55

Wake Up! One day in NYC STRs were running rampatant. The next day, without notice, restrictions were placed on them, forcing some to shut down. How do you believe all this happened?

Starting Sept. 5, New York City began enforcing restrictions on short-term rentals that could push visitors away from booking platforms such as Airbnb and into the arms of hotels.

These rules were proposed and published on November 4, 2022, and a public hearing was held on December 5, 2022. A second notice extending public comment period and announcing a second hearing was published December 12, 2022, and a second hearing was held on January 11, 2023.

Please do not respond this is not NYC. There are state, city, and local governments in every state. If they can curtail STRS in NYC, government officials can use the same principles to curtail STRS in their area. It really isn't that difficult to understand.

I am just going to say, We shall see! I have no interest in posting anymore.

Please re-read my post carefully. There are the laws that exist today and the laws that may possibly exist some day in the future. What *CAN* be done is one thing and what *WILL* be done is anyone's guess but what *HAS* been done so far does not prohibit rentals today.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Normal

Deed Restrictions in Florida can be changed, but do you have to?

Just do what Ft Pirce Florida initiated in 2021. They were not grandfathered before the 2011 Florida law on rentals.

Mandate hosting rules.

I would proffer that the rules adopted by Ft. Pierce are intended to address "abuses", but in fact, simply raise the cost to run a STR (& increase revenue for the city) and do little or nothing to limit STR's.

It's sort of like adopting a new Speed Limit. Great theory, it might help a little, but folks aren't really "prohibited" from speeding, they simply must face the consequences if caught.

Don't get me wrong, they did a decent job with what they had to work with, but they were really stymied by FL state law.

https://stlucievillagefl.gov/wp-cont...rce-21-019.pdf

[Normal]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

I would proffer that the rules adopted by Ft. Pierce are intended to address "abuses", but in fact, simply raise the cost to run a STR (& increase revenue for the city) and do little or nothing to limit STR's.

It's sort of like adopting a new Speed Limit. Great theory, it might help a little, but folks aren't really "prohibited" from speeding, they simply must face the consequences if caught.

Don't get me wrong, they did a decent job with what they had to work with, but they were really stymied by FL state law.

https://stlucievillagefl.gov/wp-cont...rce-21-019.pdf

Yes, but invester groups (which don’t even belong here) would be forced to move on. Not many would pay for “home watchers” to host while their places are rented out.

[golfing eagles]

What I find interesting on these 2 threads is the assumption that "the developer" supports STRs and will fight any attempt to restrict them. Has TV made any such statement???? Ever????

The core business model is selling homes in an active 55+ retirement community. Full time residents make up about 65-70% of our population and owner snowbirds/snowflakes about 25-30%, give or take. Investment owners who bought just to rent out, corporations and the like are a small percentage.

What motivation does "the family" have to support STRs to the angst of some of Villagers???? Sell homes???? They sell them as fast as they build them. Ruin their marketing slogan of "America's Friendliest Hometown"???? No benefit there.

I would like to see Mark Morse come to one of the town meetings and make the statement: "Our position on STRs is_____________________. At least we would know what we are dealing with, and whether "the developer" is our friend or our adversary.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I would like to see Mark Morse come to one of the town meetings and make the statement: "Our position on STRs is_____________________. At least we would know what we are dealing with, and whether "the developer" is our friend or our adversary.

Agree. Furthermore, it would be nice if every county commissioner candidate had their feet held to the fire regarding the topic and made a public statement on their stance.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Normal

Yes, but invester groups (which don’t even belong here) would be forced to move on. Not many would pay for “home watchers” to host while their places are rented out.

The St Lucie rules do not require hosting (see the ordinance section 22-509.2. The rules require a responsible party, which could be a management company, to reside within the county. This may or may not be a hindrance to investor groups.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

What I find interesting on these 2 threads is the assumption that "the developer" supports STRs and will fight any attempt to restrict them. Has TV made any such statement???? Ever????

...

I would like to see Mark Morse come to one of the town meetings and make the statement: "Our position on STRs is_____________________. At least we would know what we are dealing with, and whether "the developer" is our friend or our adversary.

Perhaps actions speak louder than words? Most deed restrictions do not prohibit rentals and while some do, some have been amended to remove restrictions on rentals, and others have been amended to add restrictions on rentals. It kind of feels like ambivalence at this point.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Randall55

If you havent heard, Alex is dead. And, if I were on Jeopardy, I would take Communities Who Believe They Are The Friendliest Home Town, wager all my money, Ken!

If it has not happened TO YOU that doesnt mean others are liars.

Learned all that in a month, have ya'?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

With all the heat rising from this thread, can't believe 'jimjam' hasn't been along complaining about the hot air killing the Polar Bears.

It's CORAL REEFS, silly!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Randall55

How would you know? You stated earlier you live on a lake where there are red lights causing boats to lose vision. Doesn't sound like a place in the Villages! Even if you are a part-time resident, again, how would you know? You are not here to witness. Are you going by the STRS listed on the online sites? Many are not listed there.

And how would YOU know? Has your "extensive" time living in TV given you some sort of superior insight?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Randall55

That is exactly what I am stating. There are multiple ways to rent a home. Not only the ones you can google. I know of many that were rented out by word of mouth alone.

You actually think that STRs or Air B&Bs are rented out via "word of mouth"? Really?

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

And how would YOU know? Has your "extensive" time living in TV given you some sort of superior insight?

One can live in the Villages for quite some time without being a member of TOTV. Some have never read the forum, some do not know about the forum. Some just recently learned about TOTV. Is that beyond your comprehension? All I ever stated was I am new to this forum and just bought a home in Hawkins. Does that mean I did not live in another Village(s) prior? Thanks for your superior insight.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Randall55

One can live in the Villages for quite some time without being a member of TOTV. Some have never read the forum, some do not know about the forum. Some just recently learned about TOTV. Is that beyond your comprehension? All I ever stated was I am new to this forum and just bought a home in Hawkins. Does that mean I did not live in another Village(s) prior? Thanks for your superior insight.

Where did you live before you bought in Hawkins? How long did you live there? Was that area "over run" by STRs?