[travelstiles]

My daughter is a real animal lover - a student who works and goes to school full time but still finds time to take in, care for and love abandoned and stray animals. She also volunteers at a local animal shelter.
Last year she adopted a dog from the shelter (it was about 3 or 4 years old) took it to obedience classes (which are just as much for the owner as the pet), and it is the most well behaved pet I've ever seen!
She's even taken in 2 stray cats since the dog, and with enough love and discipline they all get along amazingly well!
Wish they would have had those classes when we were raising kids

[Peggy D]

Originally Posted by SteveZ

The "shock collars" and invisible fence "minor irritant" collars always seemed to me like the precursor to tazing. I suppose as long as the FDA doesn't rule against their use on dogs, then small children left alone in a backyard will be next.....

The "invisible fence" seems to work with some of the breeds with little -to-no prey drive. One of the funniest things I ever saw was a neighbor's dog (Jack Russell Terrier) which used to go to the edge of the "buzz" range and stay there until the battery in the collar finally died - then the dog was off to the races!

LOL

That's a great story. And they call them "dumb animals"!!

[Number 6]

I now appreciate the title of this thread. You all make it sound like we electrocuted our dog. This is so far from the truth. During the training session the collar provides a gentle vibration that gets the dog’s attention. I was there, saw it and (barely) felt it. This is a heck of a lot more humane than, say, a choke collar. Again, folks, if you have not experienced this, you may not want to pass judgment on this training aid. That’s as gentle and respectful as I can get on this subject. Just know that the term “shock collar” is extremely unfortunate.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by travel

My daughter is a real animal lover - a student who works and goes to school full time but still finds time to take in, care for and love abandoned and stray animals. She also volunteers at a local animal shelter. Last year she adopted a dog from the shelter (it was about 3 or 4 years old) took it to obedience classes (which are just as much for the owner as the pet), and it is the most well behaved pet I've ever seen!

Beautiful story Travel, you sure raised that daughter to have great values. :bigthumbsup:

I think Obedience Classes are a way better idea than Shock Collars!

[punkpup]

Number 6 do you mean that the electronic collar to which you are referring vibrates like a beeper or my phone when in vibrate mode? Because if that's the case I don't really see that as a problem.

Where an electronic collar becomes a problem is when the current emitted by the collar causes harm to the dog. I have heard of dogs having permanent nerve damage due to the cruel and inhumane use of electronic collars. I guess my take on it is if I were to find it painful or uncomfortable then I would never, ever consider using it on my dogs.

BTW, if there is any doubt how painful these things can be just watch the episode of America's Funniest Videos which contains a segment devoted to folks putting these collars on and allowing another person to use the remote control to shock them. The shrieks, screams and writhing of the collar wearers clearly constitutes torture. Whatever possesses a person to do this either as the recipient or administrator is beyond me but then again I'm not in to S&M. "Can you say, What an idiot" lol. Did I laugh? You bet your :edit: I did all the while thinking that if you were dumb enough to strap a "Shock Collar" onto your neck then you deserved whatever you got.

NOTE: I apologize in advance if you find my twisted sense of humor offensive. A human being has a choice animals don't.

[Barefoot]

Punkpup .... Great post!

[Sidney Lanier]

We do not have a dog, but we have watched our youngest son train his dog, who is an integral part of our family, and we know from him (and from Cesar Millan) that training, training, training is the ONLY way to go with a dog! Cesar goes so far as to pointedly say that it's often the owners who often need the training as well.... A shock collar merely shows that the owner is not being responsible, and it is the dog that suffers!

[Number 6]

Guess what Ceaser Millan sells on his web site?

"The Illusion Collar & Leash Set is designed to allow the owner to walk and train the dog using a slip collar correction, without having to stop and realign the collar to the proper position. It provides the ability to give a firm, yet quick and gentle, correction that eases up when the pressure is released. A normal slip collar falls to the base of the neck near the shoulders, which does not provide as much control."

The electronic collar gives a gentle correction. Yes, I said gentle, much better than the old "choke chain" that was commen in training (and still is)! Again, if you are unfamiliar with this technique, you might not want to be so quick to judge it.