[Harleyman]

Has anyone on here tried or purchased the one length golf clubs. It has always made sense to me that they should all be the same length. I would like to hear some opinions before I made the purchase. They are fairly expensive.

[MrGolf]

Bryson DeChambeau is using them on the Tour. Here is some additional information on the theory behind them

Through his own study of the golf swing, his desire for a repeatable single plane motion, and the fairly diligent work of the clubfitting team at Edel Golf, Dechambeau is getting attention for using the only set of clubs like his at the U.S. Open. He plays a set where all the irons and wedges are the same length, approximately that of a standard 7-iron.

But is this success the precursor of a new equipment trend average golfers should explore? A quick read from a survey of Golf Digest’s 100 Best Clubfitters suggests not quite yet, although there is intrigue.

The main enthusiasm for the single-length shaft method is a more simplified swing, theoretically more repeatable and consistent center face impacts. Bill Choung from Dallas-based CompuGolf says it’s a fact that average golfers struggle to make contact as clubs get longer.

“I truly believe that the worse the golfer you are you will benefit more from a club that is altering your swing to help you hit the sweet spot more often,” he says. “And length of shaft is a way to do that.”

The idea has been tried before. In the late 1980s, Tommy Armour Golf pushed a set of irons called E.Q.L., based on the idea of a single swing. These clubs were built to 6-iron length. That set never gained real traction, perhaps in part because the company’s 845 irons were exceedingly more popular. While there is something of a technology lull in the iron market today, Dechambeau’s method is at least getting some buzz.

But before you head out and cut all your iron shafts to 7-iron length, you better recognize that you’re going to need more than one adjustment to make it work. And it might be an adjustment that standard golf clubs can’t possibly make.

“We are all used to swinging a golf club that’s basically D0 to D4,” Choung says. “So if we just arbitrarily cut these things down and didn’t have the ability to adjust the weights on it, you could end up with a 3-iron that’s super stiff with a swingweight of C3.”

Dechambeau had his clubs custom made by Edel Golf. There are non-standard head weights through the set to accommodate the single shaft length and the shafts change throughout as well. Even the lofts are tweaked from standard to provide distinct distance gaps. The long irons start with five-degree increments between 20-30 degrees, the middle irons are 4-degree gaps (30-50 degrees) and then the wedges go back to 5-degree spacing (50-60 degrees).

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

This was tried by a few companies back in the late seventies but they never sold. Perhaps if DeChambeau has some success on the tour they might sell some.

The problem is, as has already been stated, specially weighted heads have to be made in order to keep the swing weights consistent. Also shaft flex would b e a consideration as would lie angles.

Same length irons would really require more custom fitting which would make resale less likely.

[Topspinmo]

Ok one length? Long irons or short iron length? Or in the middle?


IMO long Short irons would be problem for me hitting well before the ball due to the length, I choke down enough anyway! I guess if you practiced enough might work in time. For me time I don't have

[rubicon]

It doesn't matter to me because I hit the ball the same distance with any club I pull out of my bag

[kcrazorbackfan]

Look up a company called Value Golf and their Pinhawk SL iron heads. I've played with a couple of guys in the last month that have switched to single length irons; was still a learning process with them; both hit the ball well but just wasn't consistent yet. I like the concept and will switch to them once a company starts producing same weight left handed heads.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Ok one length? Long irons or short iron length? Or in the middle?


IMO long Short irons would be problem for me hitting well before the ball due to the length, I choke down enough anyway! I guess if you practiced enough might work in time. For me time I don't have

I don't understand why you'd hit behind the ball with shorter shafts. If anything, the opposite should be true. And you say that you choke down a lot. Am I misunderstanding what you are saying here?

The theory was that you'd make the length the same the club that you're the most comfortable with, which for most people was the seven iron.

If that's what you did, you three iron would have to be four degrees upright and your pitching wedge four degrees flat. Not only do all the lengths have to be the same, but all the lie angles and head weights must be identical as well.

What concerns me about that is that shaft length is a contributing factor to the distance each club will carry. How do hey explain the fact that you will have the same gaps between irons with only the loft changing?

[Harleyman]

If you go to the sight and read the reviews there do not seem to be any negatives about the clubs. It appears that even with the shorter clubs the distance seems to be the same as the normal clubs. When we get back to the Villages in a couple of weeks I an going to ask a few of the golf shops what they think of them. I am not sure if you cdn even buy them, other than on line, which I would rather not do. I would like to at least hit them first.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I don't understand why you'd hit behind the ball with shorter shafts. If anything, the opposite should be true. And you say that you choke down a lot. Am I misunderstanding what you are saying here?

The theory was that you'd make the length the same the club that you're the most comfortable with, which for most people was the seven iron.

If that's what you did, you three iron would have to be four degrees upright and your pitching wedge four degrees flat. Not only do all the lengths have to be the same, but all the lie angles and head weights must be identical as well.

What concerns me about that is that shaft length is a contributing factor to the distance each club will carry. How do hey explain the fact that you will have the same gaps between irons with only the loft changing?

LONG Short irons (8,9, pitching wedge, sand wedge) get it now. I also think the longer shafts for average height person would have to move the club away from the body more or choke down on the club.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

LONG Short irons (8,9, pitching wedge, sand wedge) get it now. I also think the longer shafts for average height person would have to move the club away from the body more or choke down on the club.

Yes, they would move the club head further from the body by having flatter lies.

Basically every half inch in length is the equivalent of plus or minus one degree of lie angle.

All manufacturers specs differ a bit, but if a standard nine iron is 36" and 64 degrees, and you lengthened it to 37.5" to make it the same as a six iron, you'd need to flatten it by three degrees to make it play the same.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Harleyman

If you go to the sight and read the reviews there do not seem to be any negatives about the clubs. It appears that even with the shorter clubs the distance seems to be the same as the normal clubs. When we get back to the Villages in a couple of weeks I an going to ask a few of the golf shops what they think of them. I am not sure if you cdn even buy them, other than on line, which I would rather not do. I would like to at least hit them first.

I'm sure the website for this product, like any other product, is going to have positive things listed.

If the gaps in distance between the clubs remain the same, I wonder if the gaps in loft are greater.

If, for example, you have a nine iron that has 40 degrees of loft and is 36" long and you nothing else but lengthen the shaft, as long as solid contact is made, the ball should go further with the longer shaft.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Harleyman

If you go to the sight and read the reviews there do not seem to be any negatives about the clubs. It appears that even with the shorter clubs the distance seems to be the same as the normal clubs. When we get back to the Villages in a couple of weeks I an going to ask a few of the golf shops what they think of them. I am not sure if you cdn even buy them, other than on line, which I would rather not do. I would like to at least hit them first.

What is the site?

I've found a few sites that offer single length irons online. They determine your lie angle by measuring the distance from your wrist to the floor. This is about as accurate as determining your waist size based on your height. As soon as I see that, I'm out.

[Harleyman]

Type in one length golf irons. There are a bunch of sites there. I can't find the one that had all of the reviews but it is there somewhere.