[lawgolfer]

I should have mentioned that Miller had a third option if confronted with the telephone records, that of "taking the 5th".

Interviewers love to use the tactic of "just having a simple discussion" with a "target' on whom, like Miller, they have evidence in hand of a crime having been committed.

I'm all for catching and prosecuting anyone who violates the law. At the same time, I deplore the modern approach of investigators actively working to have a "target" commit perjury.

I'll add some real fuel to this fire. All Trump supporters should remember the shameful way the FBI treated General Michael Flynn, which is the same tactic used by the Florida investigators on Miller. Again, I'm neither for or against Trump. I'm merely pointing out that this tactic is being misused all too often.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by lawgolfer

I should have mentioned that Miller had a third option if confronted with the telephone records, that of "taking the 5th".

Interviewers love to use the tactic of "just having a simple discussion" with a "target' on whom, like Miller, they have evidence in hand of a crime having been committed.

I'm all for catching and prosecuting anyone who violates the law. At the same time, I deplore the modern approach of investigators actively working to have a "target" commit perjury.

I'll add some real fuel to this fire. All Trump supporters should remember the shameful way the FBI treated General Michael Flynn, which is the same tactic used by the Florida investigators on Miller. Again, I'm neither for or against Trump. I'm merely pointing out that this tactic is being misused all too often.

Why specifically these people?

[justjim]

Originally Posted by Andyb

Seriously? His partner admitted his guilt. His values are not in line with most Villagers.

As I remember, Mr. Search (his partner) agreed to testify but did not admit to doing anything wrong.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

He seemed to get a raw deal. That does not sound like why the Sunshine Law was written with how the authorities used it in the Oren Miller case.

It casts "Sunshine" on how laws are used when the wrong entities are displeased !

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

The poor guy is the poster child selected to put everyone on notice of what will happen to them if they cross the entity that controls Sumter County on an issue that is deemed important. After the horror he has been dragged through, he would be crazy to want to go back to trying to represent “the people”.

I have the feeling you are correct and in the MUCH broader topic of our whole political system. People of honor, ethics, and sincere desire to sacrifice for others (think of our forefathers who gave up lucrative careers, and suffered financially because in their absence doing the people's business, forming a constitution to free us once and for all, their families could not plant and harvest sufficient crops as they had previously done. They (the first politicians) had no private jets, they had to take their own horses (a further blow to those they left at home on the farm), they had no "hotel" allowance, no private chef and dining room for politicians, no gyms, hair salons, drivers, etc. WE, the people, from that point on decided there was no limit to what we bestowed on our own new royalty, and even today we keep adding "perks", more retirement, the best of the best medical care, luxury travel abroad in the best hotels on "junkets" to encourage trade, and so on. And then there is the whole system of lobbyist dollars. And yet, so many of us are puzzled that the available "pool" of true statesmen, true leaders, is such a filthy cesspool with little for us to choose from ? When you look over the whole panorama, local, state, to nation, judges, representative, commissioners and mayors, do we really propose only the best of the best, those with unbending integrity, true devotion to others rather and self ?

[KJ1325]

I'm guessing nobody's going to be removed from office allowing Mr Miller to replace them. Most likely what's going to happen is Mr Miller is going to end up with several million dollars in his pocket of taxpayer dollars to just go away. It'll be hush hush under the table and Mr Miller will get the last laugh.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by KJ1325

I'm guessing nobody's going to be removed from office allowing Mr Miller to replace them. Most likely what's going to happen is Mr Miller is going to end up with several million dollars in his pocket of taxpayer dollars to just go away. It'll be hush hush under the table and Mr Miller will get the last laugh.

What are you smoking?

[angiefox10]

I will respond to most of the comments. So many of them are so far off based I just shake my head.

Oren went before the Ethics Commissioner because he thought the case was going to be dismissed as they didn't have any evidence of wrongdoing, therefore he didn't cash in the GoFundMe funds. Since the money was not in his possession, he did not consider it his money. In fact, the rules are that money is not considered his until he takes it. Darrell Chandler reported him, an employ of T & D. When it was reported, they asked him to also report all funds by individuals over $100. The problem was he missed one person because that person gave him the money in small increments. (that is the money that wasn't reported) The commission immediately stated he was on perjury charges in Marion County; therefore, he was a liar. He was charged $3,000 for this. His attorney said he could fight it, but then it would have been more attorney's fees. Keep in mind, he wouldn't have had to have to GoFundMe if it hadn't had been for the "conduit" complaint that SHOULD have gone to the ethics commission as well. However, it went to the State Attorney.

Next....

Three people filed an ethics complaint about me being a conduit between Gary and Oren. This complaint completely bypassed the ethics commission and went straight to the State Attorney. And this complaint went straight to Gladson. That's a lot of power for an ethics complaint about me being a conduit. They sent letters to them that they wanted to interview them. Oren called them several times asking when they wanted to speak to him, and they said they would let him know. They sent out a subpoena. WTH?

He went into the interview thinking they were asking about me talking to him and Gary. He was aware they had the phone records. He told them they rode together once a month to a board they were on. They talked. He wouldn't remember what they talked about, (do you remember your conversations?) They had nothing on the ethics complaint because why would I be a conduit if they were talking to each other and why would they be talking to each other if I was a conduit?

Gary took a plea deal. Oren was offered a plea deal and refused to take it. He didn't do anything wrong, and he wasn't going to say he did when he didn't.

Gary was disposed and testified that they did not talk about business on the phone. They disposed several of the investigators that were in the room, they testified that Oren did not perjure himself. The judge did not allow that testimony in court. Said it was hearsay.

The state had to change their tactics. So, now they said he lied about when the phone calls ended.

Someone goes to jail for 75 days, 100 hours of community service at the dump, and 3 years of probation, all because they couldn't remember when phone calls stopped. He never said there weren't any phone calls. Even though the Daily Sun said he denied the phone calls.

Gary testified that they did not talk about business on the phone. That was supposed to be what the case was about. He was the only one who would know, and he said they did not.

There are no charges or investigations pending. Just a lot of misinformation.

That is all I have to say about that. Haters are going to hate no matter what. As to his reputation. People are treating him very well. Most people know what this was all about and welcome Oren with open arms.

I for one hate that he went through that. He is a hero in my book. He stood for right even with the Daily Sun writing hateful untruths about him every day.

We have not been able to talk about it for a year. Now you know.

[angiefox10]

There is this.

Revolt in The Villages Ended With a 72-Year-Old Political Prisoner

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by KJ1325

I'm guessing nobody's going to be removed from office allowing Mr Miller to replace them. Most likely what's going to happen is Mr Miller is going to end up with several million dollars in his pocket of taxpayer dollars to just go away. It'll be hush hush under the table and Mr Miller will get the last laugh.

If there is a lawsuit, I hope the Sunshine laws show all contact between the state’s lawyers and any outside parties.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by angiefox10

We have not been able to talk about it for a year. Now you know.

Who is "We"??

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Who is "We"??

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[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Who is "We"??

Husband and wife ( or at least SO)

[conman5652@aol.com]

Should never been charged. Appellate court said so. Little hitler lost on this one

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Husband and wife ( or at least SO)

The Fox is O's wife???