[loweglor]

Interesting thoughts, however, going about our daily life would probably cause the loss of many more lives. What needs to be done is TESTING........everyone. Sound impossible? So was putting a man on the moon, but it was done. We're talking about a disease that has the ability to wipe out the human race.......gee, don't you think we could care about that and do what it takes to get it under control and gone.

[elevatorman]

Originally Posted by loweglor

Interesting thoughts, however, going about our daily life would probably cause the loss of many more lives. What needs to be done is TESTING........everyone. Sound impossible? So was putting a man on the moon, but it was done. We're talking about a disease that has the ability to wipe out the human race.......gee, don't you think we could care about that and do what it takes to get it under control and gone.

I believe testing is the answer as well. For now a daily temperature check may be the thing to do. Get up brush your teeth, take your temperature, if normal go about your day. If your temperature is elevated isolate or see a doctor for further tests. Electronic thermometers are quick and easy. 5 seconds and you have a result.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by skarra

I like to listen to the experts ... Dr Fauci and Dr Birx, plus Bill Gates - all seem to be in agreement that the path we're on is the right one (just wish we could successfully implement it nationwide).

I think over time we will get more data which will enable us to make better decisions. And let us hope it doesn't last 2 years which is what happened in 1918-1920.

We have to support our hospital staff right now. They are the soldiers in this war and are the real heroes. I am in awe of what they are dealing with - many of them are dying as a result. They want us to stay home, so let's support our "troops" as they fight this war.

I guess those folks in Louisiana didn't get the message? I have no words for these people. Such utter fools.......

Over 1,200 people attend Louisiana church service, defying coronavirus ban - CBS News

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by elevatorman

I believe testing is the answer as well. For now a daily temperature check may be the thing to do. Get up brush your teeth, take your temperature, if normal go about your day. If your temperature is elevated isolate or see a doctor for further tests. Electronic thermometers are quick and easy. 5 seconds and you have a result.

Taking your temperature will not stop those who are asymptomatic from going about their day. Keep in mind also.....those people who become symptomatic may shed virus for up to two days prior to becoming symptomatic. Sorry, no link for that info but I have heard this on the news several times.

[joannef]

I think there are other tools that are being worked in such as therapeutics and vaccines. When we have all of ammo in place, it will be a much easier fight.

[rlcooper70]

The problem with your approach is simple .... too many will die. That doesn't seem to factor into your thinking. But how about this ... we allow the medical community to come up with medications that will keep the virus from going from the nasopharynx area into the lungs. Make sense?

Once we have a way to keep the symptoms within reason ... then sure ... expose people who are not immunocompromised as you suggest.

Exposing them when many will die ... doesn't make sense unless your actual goal is to decrease federal government entitlement spending.

[chuck2]

Originally Posted by C. C. Rider

I know there are many threads on the coronavirus problem, but please allow me to start one to discuss just one specific aspect of this. I recently read in another thread here a comment to the effect that if we will just stick rigorously to our social distancing practices and practice good handwashing and the like, that we will be over this problem quicker.

While that may sound logical and correct, I don't believe that it is. In fact, if you will recall, the whole idea behind shutting things down and maintaining social distancing was to drag this process out for many months so as not to have too many cases at one time which would overwhelm our hospital resources. In other words, we wanted to "flatten" the curve, not have a short, sharp, high curve.

The quickest way to be rid of the CV problem would be to make no changes in our everyday habits, let people catch the virus, and then have about 99% of them recover and thereby build herd immunity rather quickly. The problem with this approach is that fatalities would likely be higher in the near term because the number of seriously ill patients would overwhelm our hospital system.

So, the powers that be chose the approach that would drag this situation out for a much longer period of time. While this approach would likely be easier to handle from a healthcare perspective, it will undoubtedly extend the time that we are dealing with the disease to a much, much longer period of time.

The drawback to this approach is that the disease doesn't really go away, it just spreads at a much slower rate and therefore takes a much longer period of time for our country to build a sizeable herd immunity. If we were able to go about our ordinary lives while slowing down the spread of the virus, that would be great, but unfortunately we can't.

So, I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm concerned that this "social distancing" and shutting down of all non-essential businesses may be with us a LOT longer than many people think. In fact, the better we are at self distancing, the longer the situation will likely last.

So it appears that we either stay the course for many months or resume life as usual in a few weeks and see a rapid return of many sick people. The only bright light that I can see in the "slow" approach that was chosen is that it may buy us some time in the hopes that a cure may be found quickly. I certainly hope so.

There is one other alternative, but it's not popular in many circles... and that is to isolate the most vulnerable (the aged, the immune compromised, etc) and let the rest of the country go back to work. Personally, that's the approach that I think should have been taken from the start, but many people think otherwise.

I hope everyone stays well. I just wanted to present the choices as I see them.

Thanks

Your percentages are wrong, your theory of transmission is wrong, your idea about curve flattening in totally stupid. If left un-checked this virus would infect millions in the US alone and kill 100000 to 250000 people. Granted, a large percentage of them would be elderly. So from your point of view its okay to wipe The Villages and one or two other communities off the map.
You could drop an atomic bomb on a major city and probably not kill that many people. I assume that would be an acceptable solution to some problem in your underdeveloped mind.

[Nick B]

Where is the economic hardship in the villages? Afraid y'all might have to help your kids?

[loweglor]

Hopefully our kids are capable of helping themselves.

[La lamy]

Originally Posted by skarra

Folks - EVERYONE is vulnerable. This is not just an old persons disease, or one which only impacts people with compromised systems. Young people are also getting it and dying from it although at a lesser rate. And for those that survive, many of them have damaged lungs or hearts which could affect them later on in life.

Boris Johnson - a youthful 55 - got the virus and look at how he is faring. The UK originally had a let it rip strategy, but it didn't take long for them to see that it was going to be a disaster.

We all need to take it seriously. You don't want to mess around with this.

I've been pro herd immunity for quickly dealing with this virus, but reading a few of you talk about the damage to lungs, heart and other parts of the body that would be the result experienced by many survivors, I've had to rethink this approach. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, it's so beneficial to keep updating one's mentality.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by chuck2

Your percentages are wrong, your theory of transmission is wrong, your idea about curve flattening in totally stupid. If left un-checked this virus would infect millions in the US alone and kill 100000 to 250000 people. Granted, a large percentage of them would be elderly. So from your point of view its okay to wipe The Villages and one or two other communities off the map.
You could drop an atomic bomb on a major city and probably not kill that many people. I assume that would be an acceptable solution to some problem in your underdeveloped mind.

Wrong any guesses are just that Guesses! Common sense says: STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE SICK.

And all number’s you see of projections are just guesses, it could be less, or a lot more, nobody knows!

[KSSunshine]

Two thoughts:
If you want to follow a country that did not practice "stay-at-home", follow Sweden. This may provide a limited amount of information about the non-isolation approach. It won't be perfect since Sweden has a more homogeneous culture (mores', beliefs system, values...) and would not reflect a very diverse cultures that we have in the USA and other countries across the world.

Then look at the Avian Flu (H2N2) data from the 1957-58 time period in the USA. "The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States" (source: CDC). You can also read about other pandemics (1968 H3N2; 2009 H1N1) as well as the 1918 Influenza pandemic.

Hopefully, we can learn from these lessons and prepare for the next pandemic as we are a more global society now than ever before.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Nick B

Where is the economic hardship in the villages? Afraid y'all might have to help your kids?

Not everybody lives in premium 500K or more housing in the villages. Yes, some people are struggling in villages just like outside the bubble. I have word I use for comments like this but will reframe from using it in this site.

[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by C. C. Rider

I know there are many threads on the coronavirus problem, but please allow me to start one to discuss just one specific aspect of this. I recently read in another thread here a comment to the effect that if we will just stick rigorously to our social distancing practices and practice good handwashing and the like, that we will be over this problem quicker.

While that may sound logical and correct, I don't believe that it is. In fact, if you will recall, the whole idea behind shutting things down and maintaining social distancing was to drag this process out for many months so as not to have too many cases at one time which would overwhelm our hospital resources. In other words, we wanted to "flatten" the curve, not have a short, sharp, high curve.

The quickest way to be rid of the CV problem would be to make no changes in our everyday habits, let people catch the virus, and then have about 99% of them recover and thereby build herd immunity rather quickly. The problem with this approach is that fatalities would likely be higher in the near term because the number of seriously ill patients would overwhelm our hospital system.

So, the powers that be chose the approach that would drag this situation out for a much longer period of time. While this approach would likely be easier to handle from a healthcare perspective, it will undoubtedly extend the time that we are dealing with the disease to a much, much longer period of time.

The drawback to this approach is that the disease doesn't really go away, it just spreads at a much slower rate and therefore takes a much longer period of time for our country to build a sizeable herd immunity. If we were able to go about our ordinary lives while slowing down the spread of the virus, that would be great, but unfortunately we can't.

So, I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm concerned that this "social distancing" and shutting down of all non-essential businesses may be with us a LOT longer than many people think. In fact, the better we are at self distancing, the longer the situation will likely last.

So it appears that we either stay the course for many months or resume life as usual in a few weeks and see a rapid return of many sick people. The only bright light that I can see in the "slow" approach that was chosen is that it may buy us some time in the hopes that a cure may be found quickly. I certainly hope so.

There is one other alternative, but it's not popular in many circles... and that is to isolate the most vulnerable (the aged, the immune compromised, etc) and let the rest of the country go back to work. Personally, that's the approach that I think should have been taken from the start, but many people think otherwise.

I hope everyone stays well. I just wanted to present the choices as I see them.

Thanks

So like the Lt. Gov of Texas you believe in Social Darwinism?

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by C. C. Rider

I know there are many threads on the coronavirus problem, but please allow me to start one to discuss just one specific aspect of this. I recently read in another thread here a comment to the effect that if we will just stick rigorously to our social distancing practices and practice good handwashing and the like, that we will be over this problem quicker.

While that may sound logical and correct, I don't believe that it is. In fact, if you will recall, the whole idea behind shutting things down and maintaining social distancing was to drag this process out for many months so as not to have too many cases at one time which would overwhelm our hospital resources. In other words, we wanted to "flatten" the curve, not have a short, sharp, high curve.

The quickest way to be rid of the CV problem would be to make no changes in our everyday habits, let people catch the virus, and then have about 99% of them recover and thereby build herd immunity rather quickly. The problem with this approach is that fatalities would likely be higher in the near term because the number of seriously ill patients would overwhelm our hospital system.

So, the powers that be chose the approach that would drag this situation out for a much longer period of time. While this approach would likely be easier to handle from a healthcare perspective, it will undoubtedly extend the time that we are dealing with the disease to a much, much longer period of time.

The drawback to this approach is that the disease doesn't really go away, it just spreads at a much slower rate and therefore takes a much longer period of time for our country to build a sizeable herd immunity. If we were able to go about our ordinary lives while slowing down the spread of the virus, that would be great, but unfortunately we can't.

So, I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm concerned that this "social distancing" and shutting down of all non-essential businesses may be with us a LOT longer than many people think. In fact, the better we are at self distancing, the longer the situation will likely last.

So it appears that we either stay the course for many months or resume life as usual in a few weeks and see a rapid return of many sick people. The only bright light that I can see in the "slow" approach that was chosen is that it may buy us some time in the hopes that a cure may be found quickly. I certainly hope so.

There is one other alternative, but it's not popular in many circles... and that is to isolate the most vulnerable (the aged, the immune compromised, etc) and let the rest of the country go back to work. Personally, that's the approach that I think should have been taken from the start, but many people think otherwise.

I hope everyone stays well. I just wanted to present the choices as I see them.

Thanks

For older people, your way sounds suicidal to me. I’m guessing either depression or you’re not in the vulnerable group.

There is a reason why every educated country did not follow the thinning of the herd route through “herd immunity”.

Genocide, comes to mind.