[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Jerseyborn

Even though wearing a mask is more protective of your neighbor, it also offers a percentage of protection to the one wearing the mask.

That is correct and was PROVEN 4 months ago. But AWARENESS has yet to sink in. That is why the US has the world's biggest CV problem. And Florida has just turned red on the US hot spot map.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

that is correct and was proven 4 months ago. But awareness has yet to sink in. that is why the us has the world's biggest cv problem. And florida has just turned red on the us hot spot map.

The vaccine is coming to us soon.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown

Asymptomatic people who test positive for CV are not necessarily contagious.

Calling an incidence of a positive test a “case” is highly misleading, for it implies illness or impairment, when many people suffer no symptoms at all.

Why bother to find out if we have this new bug if we feel fine and have no symptoms of illness.

It’s high time to boot out the BS regarding CV, beginning with the fib that “testing positive” means there’s another “case of CV ” that must be reported to the public.

Is it that THE daily tally reports on “cases” help keep the public brainwashed and compliant?

For the many who continue to accept as true what they get from television and from other mainstream media regarding CV, thinking that, well, “those news reporters wouldn’t be lying,” I have this to say "if you think the mainstream news delivers the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, you had better think again".

Regarding media and brainwashing, what about all the other countries in the world? Worldometer reports on 220 countries with the virus. Can you name one country or place outside of the US where Covid is considered a hoax or insignificant? Even Sweden has stopped their “herd immunity” experiment.

[sktb888]

Thank you for the information.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is exactly why the countries with National Health Care have better Health outcomes like long life and better "quality of life" than in the US. Look up Australia of Switzerland and see the difference. The insurance companies OWN America and Americans meekly accept that "con job".

Beware of the basis for the claim other countries have a longer life expectancy. One of the most influential criteria that goes into life expectancy is infant mortality. The US has a higher infant mortality rate than these other countries because we count EVERY live birth, even a 22 week premie that takes one breath and dies. These other countries only count births after 34 weeks, hence the difference in life expectancy.

Also consider that if health care was so wonderful in the National Health Insurance nations, why do royalty, political leaders and billionaires flock to NY or Boston when they have a serious problem, instead of Luxembourg

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

So, in a population of generally seniors, we have an infection rate of about half a percent (.59% or .0059); about 1 in every 200 is infected (not necessarily sick or even have symptoms). Less than a quarter of those or about 1/10th of 1% (.00125) see the inside of a hospital. And a whopping death rate of about 1/100th of 1% (0.000133).

Tell me again why the country is locked down, businesses and livelihood are being destroyed, suicides and depression are way up. I'm sorry but it's time for some serious civil disobedience - a serious push back against those in power who are destroying America for 0.000133

It's not that I don't care. I care very much about the 99.987%; that is, everyone else. Why don't others?

This is not political. I'm just doing the math presented.

The infection rate in the Villages is 1 out of every 22 people, or 4.5 %.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown

We were in attendance for last Saturday's Lady Lake Christmas Parade.

While I can understand that many on the sidelines chose not to wear any mask, many of these ladies wore only a clear face shield, which does little to provide for any protection from the CV.

Another case of bad social models!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I must be missing something---that response made no sense to me
You mean people should get tested for the dead victims? Those already in the hospital (which I doubt is 100K). The general population?--I doubt you will come into contact with hundreds of millions of people

Today's nationwide hospitalization amount is 109,000 people.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Perhaps for the 100,000+ who don't feel fine and are currently hospitalized, the 287,000 who have died and don't feel anything at all, and the hundreds of millions who are trying to avoid becoming infected and rolling the dice on how they will feel.

Good factual post!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Today's nationwide hospitalization amount is 109,000 people.

And how many of those were hospitalized BECAUSE of covid vs. those admitted for other reasons and tested positive????

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Thank you for the advice, but that may not help the others in my household. While I might be able to stay six feet away, I will still be exhaling into a a shared enclosed area and I will be touching shared items. If I am infected then the best advice is to isolate. But, I will only know if I am infected by getting a test.

Absolutely correct! And some great American thought leader said last summer about CV, "testing, testing, testing!" It can NOT be said often enough that the DPA should have been enacted in March to provide ALL the quality equipment and testing, testing, testing that Americans needed and deserved. As is in discussion here and now, all of us were shortchanged, and nurses and hospital staff and their families and friends DIED over just that one inaction. The nation spit on their graves!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Absolutely correct! And some great American thought leader said last summer about CV, "testing, testing, testing!" It can NOT be said often enough that the DPA should have been enacted in March to provide ALL the quality equipment and testing, testing, testing that Americans needed and deserved. As is in discussion here and now, all of us were shortchanged, and nurses and hospital staff and their families and friends DIED over just that one inaction. The nation spit on their graves!

And once you've done all this "testing", what's your plan for the results????

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Old news......Sweden tried that months ago. They quickly found out that it was a FAILURE and reversed course. It is UNCONSCIONABLE that anarchists are trying to HURT older people with bogus hyperbole!

Sweden doesn't even have the population of Florida and you consistently attempt to hold them up as a comparison to the U.S.? Please............

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

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The vaccine is coming to us soon.

Yes, that IS wonderful news. But, it is not such a black and white issue as might be 1st imagined. I could write a long post about that but I won't. I put one in current events and news if anyone is interested. I can just refer you to TODAY'S CDC report saying basically that it is NOT over until It IS over.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Jerseyborn
Even though wearing a mask is more protective of your neighbor, it also offers a percentage of protection to the one wearing the mask.

Golfing eagle
True. Maybe 0.001%

That reply by Golfing Eagle is NOT correct. He made up a number to fit his personal opinion of this pandemic and how it should be managed. The degree of protection provided to the mask wearer is not known and making up an extremely low number is a bald faced attempt to manipulate the reader by a retired physician who should know better. Instead the comment might say the amount of protection is unknown.

Golfing eagle also attempts to slam the reports from the CDC saying this:

"... And I didn't see exactly what the "CDC" stated, or if it is an official announcement or one persons opinion

He, I would think, knows better. Why is CDC in quotes? He knows how to find CDC reports. Here is what is on the CDC website regarding the issue of masks and protection for the wearer:

Scientific Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2
Updated Nov. 20, 2020
..Filtration for Personal Protection
Studies demonstrate that cloth mask materials can also reduce wearers’ exposure to infectious droplets through filtration, including filtration of fine droplets and particles less than 10 microns...
A retrospective case-control study from Thailand documented that, among more than 1,000 persons interviewed as part of contact tracing investigations, those who reported having always worn a mask during high-risk exposures experienced a greater than 70% reduced risk of acquiring infection compared with persons who did not wear masks under these circumstances..

Conclusions
Experimental and epidemiological data support community masking to reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2. The prevention benefit of masking is derived from the combination of source control and personal protection for the mask wearer. The relationship between source control and personal protection is likely complementary and possibly synergistic, so that individual benefit increases with increasing community mask use. Further research is needed to expand the evidence base for the protective effect of cloth masks

The circumstances of the report from Thailand are not similar to everyday use in a community. So do not expect 70% benefit to yourself from mask wearing. Nowhere is a number given and making up a number is irresponsible. CDC reports on their website represent official consensus statements of the CDC. And the CDC is clearly saying that there is enough real benefit of mask wearing for the wearer that they devote a section of their report and much of their conclusion to discussing that benefit.