[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

Yes you have. And you still continue to do so. Why? Why do you feel the need to preach to us in every single Covid thread? Do you really think you are educating anyone? Do you really think you are changing anyone's minds? Or do you just like hearing yourself type? You already account for 30% of the posts in this thread alone. Just like every other Covid thread. Give it a rest for goodness sakes.

Probably because people keep asking. Stop asking these questions, and he'll stop answering them. Just a thought.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

Rhode Island has plenty of ICU capacity.
Some Rhode Island Covid patients are being moved to field hospital

That link answered the R.I. question in a way that agreed with me. They would NOT be setting up field hospitals if everything was going smoothly and wonderfully. The 2nd bullet point in the article distinctly says that the CV problem in R.I. is going in the WRONG direction. I DID interpret the problem in R.I. properly as PROVED by your link. So, I did a GOOD thing by reporting that INFO on this forum. Work with me and reality a little bit here!

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That link answered the R.I. question in a way that agreed with me. They would NOT be setting up field hospitals if everything was going smoothly and wonderfully. The 2nd bullet point in the article distinctly says that the CV problem in R.I. is going in the WRONG direction. I DID interpret the problem in R.I. properly as PROVED by your link. So, I did a GOOD thing by reporting that INFO on this forum. Work with me and reality a little bit here!

Just posting FACTS about the ICU, which YOU posted incorrectly.
Ironic how a state that has always had strict lock downs and mask mandates is going in the WRONG direction.
By the way RI has ALWAYS had a shortage of hospital beds...

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

My post about R.I. ICUs was accurate. They are overcrowded and sending patients elsewhere. What is more to say about that? Very straightforward. Fl. overall is a hot spot that has hospital staff extremely worried. The areas surrounding TV Land are the darkest of red on the national map. I am just talking REALITY. I have been told on this forum, "don't worry - be happy". But, I can't because I do worry. I just had a good friend test positive because they recently came back to TV Land on an Airlines flight. That is NOT "pontification" that is Reality! Our country is overrun with conspiracy theories and misinformation about CV. It does NOT hurt anyone in The Villages for me to try to balance it with truth. WE DO have a serious problem!

Sorry incorrect again. The highest percentage ICU use in Rhode Island is in Kent County at 67% capacity. The other counties are under 50%. The typical operating capacity of ICU’s pre Covid was 70-75%. Kent County has a total of 15 ICU beds, 10 are occupied as of 12/10. There has been a surge of cases in Kent County, the fear is that they may fill those available 5 beds and run out of capacity.

[Tblue]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes, really 30th. the US is that way in infant mortality, height, longevity, and MANY other "quality of life" measures. Scandinavian Countries and Switzerland are typically in the top 10. It is NOT rocket science. A simple google machine interlude will, like a crystal ball, reveal all! Dr. Google is ALL knowing.

I am a retired health care provider, my son is a physician in Canada, my daughter and wife are RNs. I have been to 24 countries. If I get sick or require surgery I want to be here in the USA. As brought up before why do the very wealthy from other counties come here to be treated or get their surgery. So feel free to get you health care in Scandinavian Countries or Switzerland, I will get my health care here.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Sorry incorrect again. The highest percentage ICU use in Rhode Island is in Kent County at 67% capacity. The other counties are under 50%. The typical operating capacity of ICU’s pre Covid was 70-75%. Kent County has a total of 15 ICU beds, 10 are occupied, as of 12/7. There has been a surge of cases in Kent County, the fear is that they may fill those available 5 beds and run out of capacity.

A more pressing fear would be - what if it's near capacity and some sudden tragedy hits - like a multi-vehicle accident that sends a few people to the ER? Who gets the ICU bed, and who gets put on a rolling cot out in the hallway and possibly bleeds to death?

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

A more pressing fear would be - what if it's near capacity and some sudden tragedy hits - like a multi-vehicle accident that sends a few people to the ER? Who gets the ICU bed, and who gets put on a rolling cot out in the hallway and possibly bleeds to death?

ICU’s typically operate at 70-75% capacity, that is what hospitals consider “optimal occupancy”.
What would you like to see? ICU’s with 100% available capacity? If that were the case who would pay the staff to not work? You sound like the governor of NY who complained about how many ventilators he needed. When in actuality he didn’t even need what he already had...

[Northwoods]

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown

Asymptomatic people who test positive for CV are not necessarily contagious.

Calling an incidence of a positive test a “case” is highly misleading, for it implies illness or impairment, when many people suffer no symptoms at all.

Why bother to find out if we have this new bug if we feel fine and have no symptoms of illness.

It’s high time to boot out the BS regarding CV, beginning with the fib that “testing positive” means there’s another “case of CV ” that must be reported to the public.

Is it that THE daily tally reports on “cases” help keep the public brainwashed and compliant?

For the many who continue to accept as true what they get from television and from other mainstream media regarding CV, thinking that, well, “those news reporters wouldn’t be lying,” I have this to say "if you think the mainstream news delivers the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, you had better think again".

Please show me the science where asymptomatic people are not necessarily contagious.

I'm assuming you're speaking from experience?? Let me tell you about my experience.

In my social group, there have been 8 people that recently have tested positive for COVID. Four had minor symptoms. Two had significant symptoms but didn't require hospitalization. Two are in the hospital. One is on a ventilator.

Note that this group was cautious. There was no travel.

The mainstream media rhetoric is irrelevant to me. But the fact that two of my friends are in the hospital and their outcome is unknown is very relevant to me.

I speak from experience. SO hopefully you bring more to the table than just... your opinion.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Tblue

I am a retired health care provider, my son is a physician in Canada, my daughter and wife are RNs. I have been to 24 countries. If I get sick or require surgery I want to be here in the USA. As brought up before why do the very wealthy from other counties come here to be treated or get their surgery. So feel free to get you health care in Scandinavian Countries or Switzerland, I will get my health care here.

Amen to that, despite the BOGUS 30th in the world ranking by the WHO.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Socialistic criteria IS quality - quality of life - a much better yardstick of life worth living .....

Just like Venezuela???

[jacksonbrown]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Amen to that, despite the BOGUS 30th in the world ranking by the WHO.

The discredited WHO? Please!

You tell 'em GE.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

A more pressing fear would be - what if it's near capacity and some sudden tragedy hits - like a multi-vehicle accident that sends a few people to the ER? Who gets the ICU bed, and who gets put on a rolling cot out in the hallway and possibly bleeds to death?

I've never seen a situation such as that. We had 32 ICU beds and they were generally 100% full. When there were patients in the ER who needed ICU and the attending physician was reluctant to transfer his patients to the floor, I would go around both ICU's and always find at least 10 beds I could free up. In reality, the numbers don't tell the whole story unless you know how they are derived, just like that BOGUS 30th in the world ranking, which I've explained a dozen times over the last year.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

Just posting FACTS about the ICU, which YOU posted incorrectly.
Ironic how a state that has always had strict lock downs and mask mandates is going in the WRONG direction.
By the way RI has ALWAYS had a shortage of hospital beds...

Remember the expression," not seeing the forest for the trees. Think of R.I. hospitals as ONLY the trees. Then forget R.I. altogether. My point was about the FOREST - in this case, ALL the hospitals in ALL the states of the US. Hospitals are ALL, ALL, ALL worried about overcrowding because of the STUPIDITY of the US citizens and their stubbornness and their selfishness in TRAVELING over the Thanksgiving holidays despite DESPERATE CDC warnings to the contrary. This caused RECORD cases. Record hospitalization and record DEATHS recently. More deaths in ONE day than all the US combat deaths during WW2 !!!!!!! What more can I say to convince people that we need emergency ACTION against the PLAGUE. This means things like no indoor anything like restaurants, bars, churches and etc. It means NO TRAVEL for Christmas. What would Jesus do to save people's lives over Christmas this year?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Tblue

I am a retired health care provider, my son is a physician in Canada, my daughter and wife are RNs. I have been to 24 countries. If I get sick or require surgery I want to be here in the USA. As brought up before why do the very wealthy from other counties come here to be treated or get their surgery. So feel free to get you health care in Scandinavian Countries or Switzerland, I will get my health care here.

Fine if you are in the upper 1%, But I am not. So I would do much better in Scandanavian countries for MY health care. ( and 99% of the people are like me). Mr. Guiliani's care PROVED that today as the facts came out. His SPECIAL CV COCKTAIL of drugs is NOT available to Joe ordinary Bozo in the great US of A. And deep down you know that I am correct!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

A more pressing fear would be - what if it's near capacity and some sudden tragedy hits - like a multi-vehicle accident that sends a few people to the ER? Who gets the ICU bed, and who gets put on a rolling cot out in the hallway and possibly bleeds to death?

Absolutely, and the Holiday season COULD(?) be the straw that breaks the hospital's back!