[Altavia]

Do any players have experience with how the Villages Pickleball rating compares to other rating Systems outside the Villages?

If you are 3.5 rated in the Villages, where should you place yourself in your first tournament to be competitive outside the Villages?

I'm hearing the Villages Pickleball Rating System is regarded as overly generous relative to other rating systems, by as much as a point too high?

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Do any players have experience with how the Villages Pickleball rating compares to other rating Systems outside the Villages?

If you are 3.5 rated in the Villages, where should you place yourself in your first tournament to be competitive outside the Villages?

I'm hearing the Villages Pickleball Rating System is regarded as overly generous relative to other rating systems, by as much as a point too high?

I think it depends on the likely age bracket of the participants. My unofficial, unscientific data (i.e. getting my butt kicked) is that if you head up north in the summer, and enter a tournament as a 3.5, and you see a lot of working age 30 and 40 somethings, you might be in trouble.
If it's down here in Florida, and you see a lot of people your own age, you might be OK.

Somewhere in all of the written information regarding The Villages rating system, there is a disclaimer that the purpose of The Villages rating system is to classify players for Villages events, and that your Villages rating may not correspond well to other systems.

There is a new system, trying to get established, called DUPR. It is just starting to make some inroads in TV. Google it if you want more information on that.

[npwalters]

DUPR is an improvement but it will establish a rating based on your performance against other DUPR rated players. Since that is likely to be other players in TV, it does little to let one know how they might do in other venues.

I went to a 3 day clinic recently and paid to be rated by the clinician. My IFP rating based on his observation over 3 days was the same as my Villages rating.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by npwalters

DUPR is an improvement but it will establish a rating based on your performance against other DUPR rated players. Since that is likely to be other players in TV, it does little to let one know how they might do in other venues.

I went to a 3 day clinic recently and paid to be rated by the clinician. My IFP rating based on his observation over 3 days was the same as my Villages rating.

It is likely that many of your matches will be with other Villagers, however, many of those Villagers will be playing, or have played, in non-Villages tournaments. Some will be playing in DUPR events up north in the summer, or in venues across Florida.
It will take some time to get meaningful data, but it will be far more inclusive than just Villages events.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Do any players have experience with how the Villages Pickleball rating compares to other rating Systems outside the Villages?

If you are 3.5 rated in the Villages, where should you place yourself in your first tournament to be competitive outside the Villages?

I'm hearing the Villages Pickleball Rating System is regarded as overly generous relative to other rating systems, by as much as a point too high?

If it is calculated in the same way as some of the golf handicaps I played against/with in TV, you are going to get your butt kicked!

[Sgroemm]

Most of the Villages pickleball players enter tournaments outside of The Villages at .5 rating points lower than our Villages rating. For example, I am a 4.0 player in The Villages and I play 3.5 outside The Villages.

[MMMark]

I observed a tourney in San Diego last fall. Most players were ages 20-40, average age probably 31 or so. There were many 3.5 rated players there that would give me all I could handle (strong 4.0 here in TV). I like the concept behind DUPR, expect it'll eventually take hold here and help minimize this in-town vs. out-of-town ratings (to say nothing of age) discrepancy in ratings.

[npwalters]

Originally Posted by Laker14

It is likely that many of your matches will be with other Villagers, however, many of those Villagers will be playing, or have played, in non-Villages tournaments. Some will be playing in DUPR events up north in the summer, or in venues across Florida.
It will take some time to get meaningful data, but it will be far more inclusive than just Villages events.

I agree there will be some DUPR play as you described. However, the newly formed Competitive PB League with about 500 players is using DUPR as their standard. They play 4 DUPR tracked games every week. Therefore the vast majority of DUPR scores posted by villagers will be against other villagers. Not a bad thing but still a fact.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by npwalters

I agree there will be some DUPR play as you described. However, the newly formed Competitive PB League with about 500 players is using DUPR as their standard. They play 4 DUPR tracked games every week. Therefore the vast majority of DUPR scores posted by villagers will be against other villagers. Not a bad thing but still a fact.

I am participating in that league. You are correct, the vast majority of data points will be from Villagers playing Villagers, no question. There is some input from outside of TV, but most will be from within. Consequently, there will be some adjustment, but, as I believe you are saying, the effect will be minimal.

I've suspected that my TV rating wouldn't hold up well against the general population outside of TV. Hopefully, I'll get a chance this summer to see how my DUPR rating holds up when I am up north in the Canandaigua-Rochester area.

As the DUPR process matures, if I play DUPR rated events up north, then I'll be bringing that experience with me, reflected in my DUPR rating next season in TV, along with folks who travelled home to Boston, Chicago, etc etc and eventually we may have enough interaction with "The Outside World" to have our DUPR ratings be more relevant outside of TV.

[Hobbiest]

I just attended the Feb 2023 TV ratings clinic. The newest ratings will be stricter, in an effort to be more in line with DUPR.

[HIgolfers]

Originally Posted by Hobbiest

I just attended the Feb 2023 TV ratings clinic. The newest ratings will be stricter, in an effort to be more in line with DUPR.

Good. It’s about time.

[2GSBK]

It’s not just your rating its also your age. If you play in a tournament that has age brackets you will find that your playing in TV will have served you well. On an age adjusted scale TV has some of the best competition you are going to find anywhere in the world.

[Linnberg]

Originally Posted by Laker14

I am participating in that league. You are correct, the vast majority of data points will be from Villagers playing Villagers, no question. There is some input from outside of TV, but most will be from within. Consequently, there will be some adjustment, but, as I believe you are saying, the effect will be minimal.

I've suspected that my TV rating wouldn't hold up well against the general population outside of TV. Hopefully, I'll get a chance this summer to see how my DUPR rating holds up when I am up north in the Canandaigua-Rochester area.

As the DUPR process matures, if I play DUPR rated events up north, then I'll be bringing that experience with me, reflected in my DUPR rating next season in TV, along with folks who travelled home to Boston, Chicago, etc etc and eventually we may have enough interaction with "The Outside World" to have our DUPR ratings be more relevant outside of TV.

Ratings would be fine as soon as they have age group events. In USTA tennis, you have one rating but you can play in seniors group 55 and over, 65 etc.
I'm sure with the incredible
Speedy growth of pickleball, that will eventually happen
as well. So most villagers playing in tournaments outside the Villages will be able to choose senior tournament just like the Senior games except more like USTA tennis where
Both rating and age is separated (54+ 3.5, 4.0 singles, doubles etc)

[NoMo50]

Let's not get too full of ourselves here, people. While having a competitive spirit is fine, pickleball, for the majority of folks in The Villages, is a recreational sport. Not saying it can't happen, but it is a rare event for someone 60-65 years of age to compete with a 30-40 year old opponent. Be it pickleball, golf, tennis, softball, or whatever...at some point the brain may be telling you "yes," but the body will say "hell no."

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by npwalters

I agree there will be some DUPR play as you described. However, the newly formed Competitive PB League with about 500 players is using DUPR as their standard. They play 4 DUPR tracked games every week. Therefore the vast majority of DUPR scores posted by villagers will be against other villagers. Not a bad thing but still a fact.

I tried out for the league and was dropped before playing.

I liked the concept of DUPR but my score is now going up even though I'm not playing :-)