[GaryW]

Originally Posted by goodtimesintv

We all (I hope) see your point, but under typical circumstances, the drivers in both lanes are not going (poozeydookin' along) that slowly. The clueless driver on the left should have been stopped for not going at a reasonable speed under the conditions.

As I remember it, the notion of "left lane is passing lane" came to be on interstate highways where the speed limit was 65 and there are minimum speed limits to stay above.

I remember a time about 10 years ago, when some states made the left lane of the interstate highways the designated, required lane that semi-trucks had to use. (I think because entrance ramp cars had such a terrible time merging into the right lane with strings of semi trucks staying in the right lane because "left lane was 'passing' lane" was causing huge problems for those trying to merge into the right lane.)

I can think of many times where I've had to merge from an interstate or expressway entrance ramp into the right lane traffic going 55 mph or 65 mph, and the entrance lane is quickly ending. That is when we want the cars/trucks to get over into the left lane so we can merge in. Calling the left lane "passing only" simply is not feasible.

The local county roads like 466 are not interstate or expressway, non-stopping or non-slowing roads. Here, there are all kinds of reasons like high number of cars, frequent left turns to slow down for, frequent store/gas station driveways on the right from which people need to sometime come out onto the right lane after waiting and waiting for the string of cars to clear.

The "left lane is passing lane only" is not a good solution for local, county roads like these here. The left lane has to have other uses besides passing, and sometimes there is no opening on the right to get back into after passing, or there's a stoplight coming up frequently.

The exact point for the road sign to stay right. No one is saying stay in the right lane so people can speed by you. Not what so ever. It helps keep the traffic flowing. The car in the left should have gotten stopped, but no police around. But if you follow the sign, then there is not the issue. That is what the sign and law of the lane is for.

As far as the Big trucks on the interstate, The left lane is forbidden for a tractor-trailer to use if there are 3 or more lanes in most states, Got out on 75 and you will see signs stating that. The reason is because you got a lot of trucks that were set to 60 or 65 mph by their company. If a truck gets caught in the left lane or lanes then it is ticket time. 150.00 on I-285 loop in Atlanta. Got one of those tickets years back.

It is just common courtesy to stay right. I had my daughter driving on 466 the other day, We were in the right lane doing maybe 45. 2 cars approached us from behind. moving faster than we were by far. Told her just keep your speed, they will go by us.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

He's the Sheriff.

Not sure as I see the problem.

We are a nation of that adheres to the "rule of law". the "rule of law" says no one is above the law. Are you saying that this sheriff is above the law? are you saying only us commoners are subject to the law? don't bother responding they are rhetorical questions

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Walter123

Rubi, rubi, ru (sounds like a Frank Sinatra song) If you read all of my posts you would have seen that I was kinda defending you being in the left lane while the cop passed you in the right lane. It's the post where I said the law is stupid. Oh, and the speed limit isn't 45 mph from 441 to 301, it starts out as 35 at 441 then it goes to 40 mph then 45 just before Rolling Acres.
You have a good memory though! But, the law states that even if you are going the speed limit in the left lane and some yahoo wants to go faster, you could be issued a summons. That's why I said the law was stupid. It's not good for local roads and should be enforced on roads like the turnpike and I75.

fair enough and it s all good. for ease of reading sake I wasn't about to give a detailed account of the various speed zones all the way up and down 466

all of this conversation is really about the growing pangs in The villages and surrounding communities. the infrastructure is simply not keeping up.

Personal Best Regards:

[Topspinmo]

316.081 Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.�
(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:
(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement;

(b) When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the highway; provided any person so doing shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the highway within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard;

(c) Upon a roadway divided into three marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon; or

(d) Upon a roadway designated and signposted for one-way traffic.

(2) Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.

(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

(4) Upon any roadway having four or more lanes for moving traffic and providing for two-way movement of traffic, no vehicle shall be driven to the left of the centerline of the roadway, except when authorized by official traffic control devices designating certain lanes to the left side of the center of the roadway for use by traffic not otherwise permitted to use such lanes, or except as permitted under paragraph (1)(b). However, this subsection shall not be construed as prohibiting the crossing of the centerline in making a left turn into or from an alley, private road, or driveway.

(5) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

The LAW everybody talking about. I especially like para. (3) and the BIG IF word.

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by rubicon

fair enough and it s all good. for ease of reading sake I wasn't about to give a detailed account of the various speed zones all the way up and down 466

all of this conversation is really about the growing pangs in The villages and surrounding communities. the infrastructure is simply not keeping up.

Personal Best Regards:

Rubie, Your previous posts have always been precise and factual to the point of being way beyond the ease of reading and I say that with the utmost respect. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

The second part of the above quoted post refers to the growing pangs in The Villages and surrounding communities. This is exactly why I think the speed limit on 466 should be lowered at least in the heavily commercialized area between Buena Vista and 301. I know that quite a few do not agree and that's ok but I feel that there are too many entrances and exits and too many drivers that don't know precisely when they need to turn either left or right due to unfamiliarity of the area, senior driving habits, or the "I'm retired and not in a hurry" attitude. Couple that with the still working class of drivers that are in a hurry and like to drive 5 mph over the speed limit because that is what is the nationally accepted amount over the speed limit is where supposedly you won't get a ticket and, you have a recipe for disaster. Then throw in the school zones and railroad crossing in the exact area I'm referring to. It can't happen but too bad an express lane couldn't be added. With all of the new construction going on in that area it's only gonna get worse. If I'm going to Wal-Mart I take 462 to 301 and avoid Buena Vista as much as I can but even that's an issue because it's very hard to make a right onto 301 where the speed limit is 55 mph. Another reason to shop online as much as possible. And now my index fingers need a rest..........

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by rubicon

...Are you saying that this sheriff is above the law? are you saying only us commoners are subject to the law? don't bother responding they are rhetorical questions

No.

No.

Are you saying you know all the extenuating circumstances the Sheriff was dealing with?

Don't bother responding...just on general principles.

[Miles42]

Food fight lol

[goodtimesintv]

Originally Posted by GaryW

The exact point for the road sign to stay right. No one is saying stay in the right lane so people can speed by you. Not what so ever. It helps keep the traffic flowing. The car in the left should have gotten stopped, but no police around. But if you follow the sign, then there is not the issue. That is what the sign and law of the lane is for.

As far as the Big trucks on the interstate, The left lane is forbidden for a tractor-trailer to use if there are 3 or more lanes in most states, Got out on 75 and you will see signs stating that. The reason is because you got a lot of trucks that were set to 60 or 65 mph by their company. If a truck gets caught in the left lane or lanes then it is ticket time. 150.00 on I-285 loop in Atlanta. Got one of those tickets years back.

It is just common courtesy to stay right. I had my daughter driving on 466 the other day, We were in the right lane doing maybe 45. 2 cars approached us from behind. moving faster than we were by far. Told her just keep your speed, they will go by us.

My mention of semi trucks on the interstate (and some states who made it law for semis to use the LEFT lane) was to illustrate the serious problem states have had with semi's in a string in the right lane. Entrance-ramp merging cars could not get in and the entrance lane ends. Some of the states rescinded the "semis use left lane" law, but the problem still exists!

That is, the problem of everyone crammed in the right lane, while one or two lanes to the left are completely open, AND people are trying to merge in on the right and can't, because the right lane is full, bumper to bumper.

The two lanes to the left of the right lane were built to handle vehicle volume, not just passing.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by goodtimesintv

...The two lanes to the left of the right lane were built to handle vehicle volume, not just passing.

The conversation has been about the left lane, not the left two lanes. And when there is enough traffic on the road that volume is a true issue, the point is moot...those are not the conditions the "keep right" law addresses.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by goodtimesintv

My mention of semi trucks on the interstate (and some states who made it law for semis to use the LEFT lane) was to illustrate the serious problem states have had with semi's in a string in the right lane. Entrance-ramp merging cars could not get in and the entrance lane ends. Some of the states rescinded the "semis use left lane" law, but the problem still exists!

That is, the problem of everyone crammed in the right lane, while one or two lanes to the left are completely open, AND people are trying to merge in on the right and can't, because the right lane is full, bumper to bumper.

The two lanes to the left of the right lane were built to handle vehicle volume, not just passing.

I agree, Most drivers know when going through city the left lane or lanes for through traffic leaving the right lanes or lanes depending on how many lanes for merging or exiting. going through city in the right lane is as dangerous as some one driving way under the speed limit in the left lane. IMO More dangerous due to some knuckleheads don't look or yield to traffic when the merge, they just force their way on.

[BobnBev]

10-4 on the knuckleheads. Happened to me several times while driving my 45' motorhome. The solution?, those super loud air horns that got their attention instantly.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by goodtimesintv

My mention of semi trucks on the interstate (and some states who made it law for semis to use the LEFT lane) was to illustrate the serious problem states have had with semi's in a string in the right lane. Entrance-ramp merging cars could not get in and the entrance lane ends. Some of the states rescinded the "semis use left lane" law, but the problem still exists!

That is, the problem of everyone crammed in the right lane, while one or two lanes to the left are completely open, AND people are trying to merge in on the right and can't, because the right lane is full, bumper to bumper.

The two lanes to the left of the right lane were built to handle vehicle volume, not just passing.

Yes, how many cities charge for the privilege of using a HON lane. Perhaps it does not equate to the 466 issue but it does explain what happens when
lanes become overcrowded....something has to give

I frequent 466. I have purposefully stayed in the right lane since this thread went up. It is not much of an issue if traffic is light. However with heavy traffic for those who desire to maintain the 45mph limit you are going to find that you will be doing a lot of zig zagging to maintain 45mph.

If I read Topsinmo's post correctly a driver has to stay in the right lane EXCEPT if a roadway is posted as one way. 466 is one way two lane/three lane . Perhaps some may disagree and I understand there are some cowboys out there but most drivers do what makes sense. the tempo of their speed, making their move etc all seem to work in keeping traffic flowing.

466 like 466A get a lot of traffic from people going to work traveling on vacation, etc I understand the "I;m retired"sentiment but these roads exist for more than just villagers.

Admittedly I am a time management guy and very conscious of how my time is used...but in fairness to me "time" is our most precious commodity and once gone it cannot be replaced.

"some will say well what's a second more" and I'll respond with a second here a second there and pretty soon your talking about serious time

[dave from deland]

Originally Posted by spring_chicken

I just saw one of those portable signs belonging to the police dept that flashes the following message:
"Stay in right lane unless passing. It's the law"

I hope this means they are going to start ticketing some of these left lane laggards. News6 also has a story about them.Slow left lane driving can result in citation

The speed limit is the same for both lanes of a roadway. If you are going the speed limit in the left lane, there is no violation.

[Bogie Shooter]

But probably causing a hazard..................

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by dave from deland

...If you are going the speed limit in the left lane, there is no violation.

There is no violation for speeding. But there still can be a violation for blocking traffic...yes...even traffic exceeding the speed limit.