[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by Garywt

Unfortunately too many don’t know what they are doing. The right lane must exit turn 1 or 2. The left lane can never exit the first turn but can exit turns 2, 3 or 4. If someone is next to them when they get to turn 3 the other car either failed to get off at exit 2 or failed to yield when entering on the opposite side, either way the car in the right lane would be at fault if anything happened.

I don't agree. And that is because you said "must" and "can never". Replace those with "should". Notice that the signs are green.

Once a car is in the roundabout in the inner lane, be ready for them to exit anywhere. Once a car is in the roundabout in the outer lane, be ready for them to pass any exit.

[flsteve]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

This is the scenario why I "hang back" when in the RAB. I vary my speed so I am NEVER EVER beside another vehicle.

I have had one experience in all these years that scared the hell our of me. I did, however, avoid an accident because I JAMMED on my breaks and so did my carJAM on the breaks. Between the two of us, that accident was avoided. The scenario is when I was in the outside lane ready to exit at my first exit. Some person in the inside lane sped up to exit in front of me IN MY LANE. What a turkey!!!!! If I had not jammed on my breaks, there would have been a collision. The person was in the inside lane and should have STAYED in that lane to exit but NO, that person had to exit into the outside lane in front of me. I don't even think that person realized there was almost a collision. He/she went on their merry way, fat, dumb and happy!

I remember the day that you reported this as a thread starter. As an engineer trying to analyze this with a bit more information you supplied here, I believe that POSSIBLY both cars right, yet both at fault here.

I am assuming that this was a resident in the other car, because you stated that they exited the RAB and moved to the right lane instead of staying in the left lane like they should have done. The right lane AFTER EXITING the RAB is for residents at an entrance to a village. So the other car may have actually performed TWO maneuvers at the same time; exit AND quick lane change for the gate entry. Is that the case? I would like to know the exact RAB and the positions of each car's entry (i.e. 6, 3, 12, 6) to understand this better.

Based upon the presumption above, however, my best assessment would be that the car entering the RAB (yours) should not assume that entering the RAB and exiting at the first exit is a clear shot to the right lane. If there was a car inside the RAB IN ANY LANE before you enter, let them have their right of way.

In my opinion, you were in the right from one aspect, but the number 1 rule is to yield to ANY car in the RAB before you enter. The other car was wrong to switch lanes PRIOR to exiting (if that is what happened there), but if you yielded just 1 second longer there would not have been any incident.

If this went to court and there were mock-ups showing positions I believe that the other car would have been deemed "at fault", because from what I NOW see about your previous thread's story the other car might have changed lanes prior to its exit of the RAB. ???

Please correct anything that I am wrong about here. One thing is certain, DEFENSIVE DRIVING techniques (not sure if they are even taught anymore) are paramount in Villages roundabouts. Assume all drivers are out to get you. Snowbirds, new residents, older residents, and sightseeing traffic present worries to those of us that DO understand how roundabouts are actually very nice. We should watch out for them and maybe be a bit more understanding of their confusion.

[Calisport]

Look at the arrows on the road for your answer.

[Bilyclub]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

I don't agree. And that is because you said "must" and "can never". Replace those with "should". Notice that the signs are green.

Once a car is in the roundabout in the inner lane, be ready for them to exit anywhere. Once a car is in the roundabout in the outer lane, be ready for them to pass any exit.

Is there some law saying green traffic signs can be disregarded ? Never heard of a traffic control sign that means "should".

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Maker

All of that reasoning fails when you consider that cars can enter in 4 places. Counting the number of exits to apply rules to straight/exit per lane is different depending upon when they entered relative to yourself. There are combinations of where they enter, each follows every "rule" and yet their paths cross forcing someone to take evasive action.

It's not that they don't know what they are doing. It's that people are certain that only they know the rules. Everyone else does it wrong.

Evasive action happens only when someone does not yield. These RABs work beautifully, like a choreographed dance, when everyone yields to other vehicles at the correct times. Yielding is the key.

Just the other day, some young buck approached the RAB so fast, I just knew he was going to jump in ahead of me as I was approaching that exit. Sure enough, the guy sped into the RAB when he should have yielded to me. I let him know he was wrong, wrong, wrong with what he did and I layed on the horn. He thanked me by giving me the finger as he zoomed by me.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

I don't agree. And that is because you said "must" and "can never". Replace those with "should". Notice that the signs are green.

Once a car is in the roundabout in the inner lane, be ready for them to exit anywhere. Once a car is in the roundabout in the outer lane, be ready for them to pass any exit.

These scenarios are not correct. That is the point you are making, right? I hope you are trying to make the point that you must drive defensively in RAB because people will do stupid things and not adhere to the rules of the RABs.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by flsteve

I remember the day that you reported this as a thread starter. As an engineer trying to analyze this with a bit more information you supplied here, I believe that POSSIBLY both cars right, yet both at fault here.

I am assuming that this was a resident in the other car, because you stated that they exited the RAB and moved to the right lane instead of staying in the left lane like they should have done. The right lane AFTER EXITING the RAB is for residents at an entrance to a village. So the other car may have actually performed TWO maneuvers at the same time; exit AND quick lane change for the gate entry. Is that the case? I would like to know the exact RAB and the positions of each car's entry (i.e. 6, 3, 12, 6) to understand this better.

Based upon the presumption above, however, my best assessment would be that the car entering the RAB (yours) should not assume that entering the RAB and exiting at the first exit is a clear shot to the right lane. If there was a car inside the RAB IN ANY LANE before you enter, let them have their right of way.

In my opinion, you were in the right from one aspect, but the number 1 rule is to yield to ANY car in the RAB before you enter. The other car was wrong to switch lanes PRIOR to exiting (if that is what happened there), but if you yielded just 1 second longer there would not have been any incident.

If this went to court and there were mock-ups showing positions I believe that the other car would have been deemed "at fault", because from what I NOW see about your previous thread's story the other car might have changed lanes prior to its exit of the RAB. ???

Please correct anything that I am wrong about here. One thing is certain, DEFENSIVE DRIVING techniques (not sure if they are even taught anymore) are paramount in Villages roundabouts. Assume all drivers are out to get you. Snowbirds, new residents, older residents, and sightseeing traffic present worries to those of us that DO understand how roundabouts are actually very nice. We should watch out for them and maybe be a bit more understanding of their confusion.

Ok, I'll try my best to reconstruct the scenario...........

I was heading south on Morse, approaching the Caroline RAB. I entered the RAB at 6 in the outside lane and was heading to exit 12 to continue south on Morse. When I entered the RAB at 6, there were no cars in sight so I proceeded into the RAB. As I was about to pass the exit at 3 (as if to go to Winn Dixie), another car in the inside lane came SPEEDING past me and exited into the outside lane directly in front of me. No, there was no resident gate to deal with as he sped past me onto Stillwater Trail. He may heave been heading to Winn Dixie and needed to go grocery shopping in a hurry. All I know is my purse landed on the floor of the car because I had to jam on the brakes hard enough to avoid that collision.

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Ok, I'll try my best to reconstruct the scenario...........

I was heading south on Morse, approaching the Caroline RAB. I entered the RAB at 6 in the outside lane and was heading to exit 12 to continue south on Morse. When I entered the RAB at 6, there were no cars in sight so I proceeded into the RAB. As I was about to pass the exit at 3 (as if to go to Winn Dixie), another car in the inside lane came SPEEDING past me and exited into the outside lane directly in front of me. No, there was no resident gate to deal with as he sped past me onto Stillwater Trail. He may heave been heading to Winn Dixie and needed to go grocery shopping in a hurry. All I know is my purse landed on the floor of the car because I had to jam on the brakes hard enough to avoid that collision.

I find it hard to believe a vehicle that was not in the RAB before you managed to pass you from the opposite side of the RAB. There is more distance that needs to be travelled in the inner circle than your vehicle travelling from 6 o'clock to 3. If I am wrong, the other vehicle must have been moving at excessive speed. If this is the case, the driver was a lunatic who possibly had a death wish.

If I am right, you did not yield. Clear to go in a RAB does not mean your lane only. Vehicles in the inner circle always have the right of way. You have to allow them to exit either by stopping before entering or leaving a gap. The reason? Cars in the inner circle must cross over the outside circle to exit. It is impossible for those in the inner circle not to do so.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

I find it hard to believe a vehicle that was not in the RAB before you managed to pass you from the opposite side of the RAB. There is more distance that needs to be travelled in the inner circle than your vehicle travelling from 6 o'clock to 3. If I am wrong, the other vehicle must have been moving at excessive speed. If this is the case, the driver was a lunatic who possibly had a death wish.

If I am right, you did not yield. Clear to go in a RAB does not mean your lane only. Vehicles in the inner circle always have the right of way. You have to allow them to exit either by stopping before entering or leaving a gap. The reason? Cars in the inner circle must cross over the outside circle to exit. It is impossible for those in the inner circle not to do so.

My thoughts as well.
Hard to imagine a car going from out of view to the 3 O'Clock exit in the time it takes to go from the 6 O'Clock to the 3 O'Clock.

[Laker14]

One important benefit of these repeating roundabout threads is learning that so many people out there don't know the rules, that it reminds us all to be very defensive.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Laker14

My thoughts as well.
Hard to imagine a car going from out of view to the 3 O'Clock exit in the time it takes to go from the 6 O'Clock to the 3 O'Clock.

I suppose the vehicle in the inner lane could be going VERY fast, or the car entering and going to 3 o'clock was going VERY slow.

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Ok, I'll try my best to reconstruct the scenario...........

I was heading south on Morse, approaching the Caroline RAB. I entered the RAB at 6 in the outside lane and was heading to exit 12 to continue south on Morse. When I entered the RAB at 6, there were no cars in sight so I proceeded into the RAB. As I was about to pass the exit at 3 (as if to go to Winn Dixie), another car in the inside lane came SPEEDING past me and exited into the outside lane directly in front of me. No, there was no resident gate to deal with as he sped past me onto Stillwater Trail. He may heave been heading to Winn Dixie and needed to go grocery shopping in a hurry. All I know is my purse landed on the floor of the car because I had to jam on the brakes hard enough to avoid that collision.

But it sounds like it was actually there. Sometimes a quick glance is not enough.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I suppose the vehicle in the inner lane could be going VERY fast, or the car entering and going to 3 o'clock was going VERY slow.

or both.
it seems to me the car in the inner lane would have to travel almost 3 times the distance that the car in the outer lane travels, to get in front of the car in the outer lane.

if the car in the outer lane were going 15mph, the other car would be approaching, or exceeding 45mph. In the inner lane of a roundabout, that's pretty speedy.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

I find it hard to believe a vehicle that was not in the RAB before you managed to pass you from the opposite side of the RAB. There is more distance that needs to be travelled in the inner circle than your vehicle travelling from 6 o'clock to 3. If I am wrong, the other vehicle must have been moving at excessive speed. If this is the case, the driver was a lunatic who possibly had a death wish.

If I am right, you did not yield. Clear to go in a RAB does not mean your lane only. Vehicles in the inner circle always have the right of way. You have to allow them to exit either by stopping before entering or leaving a gap. The reason? Cars in the inner circle must cross over the outside circle to exit. It is impossible for those in the inner circle not to do so.

There were no cars visible to me in either the inner or outer lane when I entered the RAB.The car that cut me off was speeding. That is how he caught up to me. He must have entered at 9 after I entered at 6. Yes, that is quite a bit of ground to cover but he did it by speeding.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Laker14

My thoughts as well.
Hard to imagine a car going from out of view to the 3 O'Clock exit in the time it takes to go from the 6 O'Clock to the 3 O'Clock.

Hard to imagine but that guy did it. He continued to speed when he exited the RAB on his way to Winn Dixie. Maybe there was a sale. LOL.