[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

The ones who don’t know don’t read TOTV.

Looks like at least a couple of them are. :-)

[djlnc]

Originally Posted by Debbraham

When people finally realize you don’t make a right hand turn from the left lane! Wouldn’t do that on a regular road so not sure why people think they can do that on a round about! If you can’t get over then go around again and get in the proper lane to turn! The same for a left hand turn…can’t turn left from a right hand lane!

I was going to stay out of this, but I can no longer restrain myself. Everything about this post is wrong. Please go to the first sticky on roundabouts and study the PDF there.

[Rainger99]

This thread is one reason why car insurance is so high in Florida!

[frayedends]

Originally Posted by djlnc

I was going to stay out of this, but I can no longer restrain myself. Everything about this post is wrong. Please go to the first sticky on roundabouts and study the PDF there.

That pdf helped me out. I've not been down there much yet, but I was a bit confused. The rotaries here in MA don't usually have lanes. It's a free for all.

But the pdf explains it perfectly. Plus it explains why the exit for going straight has arrows from both the left and right lane (IIRC) in some roundabouts.

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by Maker

Sorry, but consider ALL traffic and then discover the problem with the driving diagrams and the faulty advice and criticism G.E. gives.

Let me demonstrate how cars crash.

Let's start with no other vehicles anywhere except for 2 cars arriving at a RAB. Each one wants to travel half way through the RAB and exit. Red car comes in at 6:00 and exits at 12:00. Blue car comes in at 3:00 and exits at 9:00.

Red car is in the left lane and they are the first car to enter RAB, and goes into the inner lane of the RAB. Starts going around. (driving diagrams show driving line allowing a "straight through" route)
Blue car arrives next, and sees red car, and waits until red car is passing. Blue enters the outer lane of the RAB. (driving diagrams show driving line allowing a "straight through" route)

At 12:00 spot, red car attempts to exit. Directly in front of path of blue car. Crash happens.

Both cars are following the routes shown on published diagrams for lane use.
Cars entered when lanes were 100% clear.
Neither car is next to each other.
Neither crossed any white lines.
Both cars followed every sign diagram.
Both cars followed every lane marking arrows.

Yet, they crash.
Those diagrams fail to account for traffic entering and exiting from all 4 roads. Blindly assuming that following those travel paths is foolish. That is the problem most people fail to comprehend.
This example is for just two cars. Expand that to a lot of cars, each person following their own version of what to do.

So never be next to another car. Always expect them to turn in front of your path and leave a lot of space to stop.
Oddly, that effectively reduces lane usage to one lane. Exactly the same thing I said by mandating outside lane must exit at the next road after they enter - no going to the second road. Only one lane is allowed to go past side roads. By forcing one lane, crash potentials are drastically reduced. Since the "expert" advice spaces cars into the equivalent of one lane, it's not going to slow anything down.

Kinda obvious you do not understand the definition of yield.

Definition: Allow other road users to GO FIRST.

In your scenario, if you understand a driver must yield, an accident would not happen.The driver would know a car needs to cross their path and they would slow down allowing them to do so.

The roundabouts in the villages are small. The blue car should not have entered the roundabout until the red car exited. It only takes a few seconds to YIELD!

Rule of a roundabout: Yield to other vehicles. If you believe this is incorrect, Please post any literature or video that states you do not have to yield in a roundabout.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by Randall55

I have not seen anyone driving clockwise in the roundabouts. Thanks to you, I will expect it!

Is it really that much shorter than doing it correctly? I really don't see the point.

One will see it further north, I find older drivers just find roundabout too confusing.

Yesterday while driving to VA clinic, watched someone make a left out of their street into the wrong lanes, instead of going down to roundabout.
Traveled wrong way, to light, then crossing over to correct lanes. Guesstimate that’s not the first time, won’t be the last.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by asianthree

One will see it further north, I find older drivers just find roundabout too confusing.

Yesterday while driving to VA clinic, watched someone make a left out of their street into the wrong lanes, instead of going down to roundabout.
Traveled wrong way, to light, then crossing over to correct lanes. Guesstimate that’s not the first time, won’t be the last.

Got that one beat:

About 2 months ago my wife and I were driving north on BV to go to a show at Savannah. The car ahead of us took the Rainey Trail bypass, as did I. At the merge back into BV, the car ahead came to a dead stop even though no one was coming, waited about 5 seconds, then proceeded to make a 150-degree left turn into the northbound lanes against traffic.

That being said, based on previous posts on this thread, someone will post that is the correct procedure

[Doro22]

When we have visitors I always tell them not to stay next to another vehicle. A few years ago I was in the car with my daughter in law who was driving. So I tell her: “be careful in the circle, if you are right next to another vehicle they may cut you off to exit.” Well you guessed it…a truck towing a trailer cut off our car. Daughter in law says: “They can’t do that.” Ha…we just barely avoided getting hit.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Doro22

That’s exactly what I always say, Especially to visitors. A few years back I was in the car with my daughter in law who was driving. So I tell her: “be careful in the circle, if you are right next to another vehicle they may cut you off to exit.” Well you guessed it…a truck towing a trailer cut off our car. Daughter in law says: “They can’t do that.” Ha…we just barely avoided getting hit.

Of course, while it should be clear after 157 posts, apparently not. No one "cut you off" (unless the truck entered with you from the left lane and tried to take the first exit.) Otherwise, either you illegally entered the RB when he was coming around, or you were illegally trying to take the third exit in the outer lane. YOU can't do that.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by bsloan1960

We were in a double- 2 lane round about, in the right lane. As I was about to pass a right hand turn and continue on in the round about, a driver next to me in the left lane made a sudden turn in front of me to exit the round about. I had to slam on the brake to avoid getting hit.

This started me thinking- If you are in the left lane of the round about you always run the risk that someone in the right lane will be in your way when it's time for your exit. Just because you have been passing right turns without taking them- someone just entering on the right could be in your way when you take the 3rd exit.

What am I missing? is there a way for someone in the right lane to avoid getting hit by a driver turning in from the left- or is it 100% trusting every driver in the left to not hit you? Seems like a crap shoot.

Thanks

I look into my left rearview mirror and if I see some driver accelerating to get in front of me and exit - I simply hit the brakes and let them.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I look into my left rearview mirror and if I see some driver accelerating to get in front of me and exit - I simply hit the brakes and let them.

Good idea. But why are you in that position in the first place?????

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

It's about understanding the proper way to navigate through a two-lane roundabout. When everyone does it correctly, it is not a crap shoot.

The problem IS that everyone does NOT know how to navigate a roundabout correctly. And REALLY I don't expect everyone to do it perfectly........the roundabouts are accidents WAITING TO HAPPEN. There are 2 possible solutions - 1) Eliminate roundabouts and replace them with traffic lights. Some will say, that is TOO expensive. I would say that ONLY one accident with hospitalizations would make the traffic lights worthwhile. Also, all those sight-blocking landscaping and landscaping costs could be eliminated. 2) Merge the 2-lane traffic BEFORE the roundabout and have ONLY one lane inside the roundabout. Every driver in the US knows how to merge from 2 lanes to one lane. Some would say that it would SLOW down traffic. To that, I would say, "So what? We are mostly ALL retired." Also, traffic MAY ? move even faster because there will NOT BE any CONFUSION by a driver once inside the roundabout. I would be interested in a study comparing the time advantage or disadvantage of a 2-lane roundabout versus a 1-lane roundabout.

[Dusty_Star]

...

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Got that one beat:

About 2 months ago my wife and I were driving north on BV to go to a show at Savannah. The car ahead of us took the Rainey Trail bypass, as did I. At the merge back into BV, the car ahead came to a dead stop even though no one was coming, waited about 5 seconds, then proceeded to make a 150-degree left turn into the northbound lanes against traffic.

That being said, based on previous posts on this thread, someone will post that is the correct procedure

Oh my! What a nightmare. Imagine being northbound on Buena Vista & seeing a car coming straight at you! Scary

[Davonu]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

…There are 2 possible solutions - 1) Eliminate roundabouts and replace them with traffic lights…
2) Merge the 2-lane traffic BEFORE the roundabout and have ONLY one lane inside the roundabout...

Wow. You want to see massive backups and delays, just implement both of these “solutions” in The Villages.

There have been many traffic studies done comparing signalized intersections and roundabouts. Roundabouts win almost every time, when traffic and other variables are properly considered. Roundabouts fit The Villages just fine.