[MikeV]

Originally Posted by CFrance

It's not just the signs. It's the yielding to both lanes, it's the use of turn signals, it's not entering the roundabout together with another car, it's the inconsistent markings on the street surface of some roundabouts...

I agree the markings are not consistent and even contribute to the confusion. With all the negative comments about roundabouts one would think something would be done about the lane markings especially the dotted lines on the outer lane which make it seem OK to go all the way around in that lane.

[pqrstar]

When entering a round-about, ALWAYS YIELD to BOTH lanes inside the circle.

Never change lanes inside a round-about.

Enter using the outside lane, if you plan to exit either 1/4 or 1/2 way round.
Exit from the outside lane.

Enter using the inside lane, if you plan to exit either 1/2 or 3/4 way round.
Exit from the inside lane.

Use your signals to exit.

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by dbussone

My favorite rotary is in Revere MA. It has 4-5 lanes and probably 6-7 times the diameter of the ones we have here.

That is exactly why they work there and don't work here!
Size matters!!!

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

That is exactly why they work there and don't work here!
Size matters!!!

For the number of vehicles that travel thru Villages roundabouts vs accidents in roundabouts, I would venture to guess that the roundabouts work very well for all but a few folks!

I'd hate to see the whining and complaining that would result from having intersections with traffic lights with the resulting lines of traffic rather than the roundabouts [especially in 'season']! And where we do have traffic lights - there are STILL accidents!

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by annaconner

As has been said before - left lane for left turn, right lane right turn and both lanes straight on unless otherwise shown.

One of the problems is:

As you go around the circles there is a dotted line
which means you can go from one lane to the other.
So the guy in the right lane, according to the road markings, can go left!

Sorry, but between the road markings,
the signs as you approach the circles and the drivers here,
we're all lucky to still be alive.

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by dbussone

I do here in TV. These look good but are poorly engineered IMO.

Ditto times 10!

They are too small for the amount of vehicle flow they supposedly were designed to control.

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

For the number of vehicles that travel thru Villages roundabouts vs accidents in roundabouts, I would venture to guess that the roundabouts work very well for all but a few folks!

I'd hate to see the whining and complaining that would result from having intersections with traffic lights with the resulting lines of traffic rather than the roundabouts [especially in 'season']! And where we do have traffic lights - there are STILL accidents!

I don't see any mention whatsoever of anyone whining and complaining about traffic lights.
In addition, most accidents at traffic lights have nothing to do with the circles,
so why throw a monkey wrench into the thread?

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

That is exactly why they work there and don't work here!
Size matters!!!

Correct. The biggest flaw of our rotaries is that the entrance and exit points are too close together. Vehicles do not have enough space to properly travel and allow sufficient spacing for others.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by pqrstar

When entering a round-about, ALWAYS YIELD to BOTH lanes inside the circle.

Never change lanes inside a round-about.

Enter using the outside lane, if you plan to exit either 1/4 or 1/2 way round.
Exit from the outside lane.

Enter using the inside lane, if you plan to exit either 1/2 or 3/4 way round.
Exit from the inside lane.

Use your signals to exit.

Your last sentence contradicts your first sentence. If you are in the inside lane in order to go 3/4 the way around, there's no way you can exit without crossing over the outside lane. Therefore, you have to change lanes while in the roundabout.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Correct. The biggest flaw of our rotaries is that the entrance and exit points are too close together. Vehicles do not have enough space to properly travel and allow sufficient spacing for others.

This is an excellent point. Also, you can't properly see in your mirrors if someone is on your rear bumper because the roundabouts are so small they are always in your blind spot.

And trying to watch for cars not yielding when you are trying to exit legally from the inside lane makes you take your eyes off the road.

[NotFromAroundHere]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Your last sentence contradicts your first sentence. If you are in the inside lane in order to go 3/4 the way around, there's no way you can exit without crossing over the outside lane. Therefore, you have to change lanes while in the roundabout.

No contradiction. You cross over the outside lane, you don't change lanes.

[l2ridehd]

The round-abouts in The Villages are engineered correctly and the lanes are marked correctly. They improve traffic flow dramatically over traffic lights.

A round-about is nothing more than a traffic light replacement. Think of it as the light at Morse and 466 with no turn lanes, just the main lanes.

You would ALWAYS yield if someone was in the intersection. And you always yield when someone is already in the circle.

If you wanted to turn left, you would always be in the left lane.
If you wanted to right you would always be in the right lane.
If you wanted to go straight across, you could do so from either lane.

It's OK for two cars to enter the circle side by side as long as there is no one already in the circle. Even where they force you to move right if you are going 3/4 the way around. Because the car beside you on your right should NEVER be going 3/4 the way around.

And so far I have never seen a dotted white line painted wrong in any circle. If you think about the rules and understand them, the dotted lines are painted correctly.

I just wish I could ask some of the fools that go 3/4 they way around in the outside lane, if they would go to a traffic light in the right lane to make a left hand turn. Everyone would say "of course not, that would be stupid"

Look at the green signs just before entering a circle and follow that logic.

[CFrance]

Crossing over the outside lane is the same thing as changing lanes, in my opinion. You are still having to watch for someone in another lane because you are entering that lane to exit the roundabout. So "not changing lanes in the roundabout" is impossible if you're going 3/4 around.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

The round-abouts in The Villages are engineered correctly and the lanes are marked correctly. They improve traffic flow dramatically over traffic lights.

A round-about is nothing more than a traffic light replacement. Think of it as the light at Morse and 466 with no turn lanes, just the main lanes.

You would ALWAYS yield if someone was in the intersection. And you always yield when someone is already in the circle.

If you wanted to turn left, you would always be in the left lane.
If you wanted to right you would always be in the right lane.
If you wanted to go straight across, you could do so from either lane.

It's OK for two cars to enter the circle side by side as long as there is no one already in the circle. Even where they force you to move right if you are going 3/4 the way around. Because the car beside you on your right should NEVER be going 3/4 the way around.

And so far I have never seen a dotted white line painted wrong in any circle. If you think about the rules and understand them, the dotted lines are painted correctly.

I just wish I could ask some of the fools that go 3/4 they way around in the outside lane, if they would go to a traffic light in the right lane to make a left hand turn. Everyone would say "of course not, that would be stupid"

Look at the green signs just before entering a circle and follow that logic.

Only in a perfect circle! Because see your last paragraph. There are always fools.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

I don't see any mention whatsoever of anyone whining and complaining about traffic lights.
In addition, most accidents at traffic lights have nothing to do with the circles,
so why throw a monkey wrench into the thread?

Perhaps if you re-read my post, you will understand. If not, please PM me for an additional explanation should you need it.