[Annabelle]

[QUOTE=PromisesKept;295598]

"Unless you are simply trying to discredit the " messenger" , why not just thank the messenger and inquire at Lake Miona Rec Center? Why would anyone make up a story like this? "

Exactly! Apparently, it's less messy to shoot the messenger than deal with the problem. (Annabelle)

"Also, there are no enclosed Lockers, what good are Personal padlocks?"

Obviously, the person who suggested the lock, has never set foot in this locker room. (Annabelle)

"Also, women, not men pretending to be women, would know that most rapes go unreported...this could have been the case here."

Since it is still unclear what happened to this woman, hopefully the attack did not reach that point. Nevertheless, your post was well intentioned and it is troublesome to read all the negative comments directed towards you. Alas, this is not the first time this has happened on TOTV. If someone posts anything deemed "unflattering" about TV that person is immediately excoriated as an "enemy" of TV by the "safety patrol" on TOTV. (Annabelle)

"Again, why question the messenger's integrity? What is your agenda?"

In my opinion, the "agenda" by some (not all) on this site is to protect their "investment" and/or their "fantasy." (Annabelle)

PK, thank you for taking your valuable time to alert the residents of this incident at Lake Minoa. Nice to know that their are residents in TV who are concerned more for the "welfare" of their neighbors than the "image" of TV.

Annabelle

[PR1234]

A few months ago we were visiting our son and went to a new restaurant. I excused myself to use the restroom, went in used the stall, came out and started washing my hands, looked over and saw a urinal!!!!! You guessed it, I was in the men'sroom!!!!
Soooo it does happen that we wander into the wrong room sometimes. Not to make light of anything that has been posted here as I am a very cautious person myself.....well most of the time

[784caroline]

Originally Posted by Annabelle

And just who "embellished" the rumor?

Annabelle

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According to the Dept of REC , "Lake Miona staff was approached by two females that there was an alleged male in the women’s restroom shower". NO WHERE is the term ATTACK used or even implied as it was used in the original post. I think that qualifies as "Embellishment" since attack truly implies a significant and serious event.

Do you think the REC staff should make the all TV residents aware of every incident where a male unknowlingly walked into a female restroom or locker area or a female into a male area??? Lets get real ..its happens...not condoning it but it happens! Most likely there were screams from shock or surprise...not fear. The fact that the ladies involved in the incident did not follow through by providing their names to the Rec staff and/or a "first hand" police report should speak for itself.

[memason]

This just keeps getting better and better...

[cabo35]

Originally Posted by Annabelle

After reading this thread it would appear that the information was "communicated" to everyone but the residents of TV. Annabelle

Perhaps you would suggest just how you would "communicate to everyone" the pertinent information. The fact pattern seems to be that two unidentified, unknown, anonymous women may have seen a man in the women's locker room shower at the Lake Miona pool. Staff apparently immediately checked the area in question but could not locate any suspect or victim in the facility. When staff returned to further question the women who reported the alleged incident, they were gone. All appropriate notifications were made to management and police. To date, apparently no victim has been located by staff and no victim has emerged to validate the report. Given the facts as reported and the inferred rapid response by staff, you would have thought an "attack" victim would have been evident at the scene.

Should local TV have broadcast a warning based on this info?

Should the Daily Sun report the incident and warning based on this info and absent an identifiable victim and/or witness?

Should alert posters, based on this somewhat vague, unverified report, be posted at all mail stations?

I'm not being facetious, but I do not understand exactly what you mean when you seem to suggest fault for communicating the info to "everyone but residents".

While I support your right to express your opinion, I believe I am entitled to take exception to your characterization of my friends, neighbors and TOTV posters in your somewhat bombastic "wisecracks", to wit: "Alas, this is not the first time this has happened on TOTV. If someone posts anything deemed "unflattering" about TV that person is immediately excoriated as an "enemy" of TV by the "safety patrol" on TOTV". (Annabelle)"In my opinion, the "agenda" by some (not all) on this site is to protect their "investment" and/or their "fantasy." (Annabelle)

The issue here has nothing to do with "unflattering", "enemies", "agendas" or TOTV "safety patrols". It has everything to do with the search and need for credible public information to dismantle rumors that may cause undue alarm and/or anxiety. The case in question does highlight the positive impact TOTV has as a conduit and median for Villages related information. The selfless, stellar efforts of 784caroline, as well as many other contributors who take the initiative, the time to research and the concurrent effort to post important. accurate information, demonstrates that TOTV is a limited but effective tool for exposing damaging rumors and conveying accurate information to subscribers. From recent reports regarding subscription increases, that limited aspect is shrinking as more Villagers participate in the dialogue.

[K9-Lovers]

Originally Posted by memason

This just keeps getting better and better...

Yup.

[Challenger]

Let me get this straight- Can't locate a victum, can't identify or locate a perp.
Lacking more relyable info, I and skeptical.

[billethkid]

"It has everything to do with the search and need for credible public information to dismantle rumors that may cause undue alarm and/or anxiety."

btk

[Taj44]

[quote=Annabelle;295718]

Originally Posted by PromisesKept

... Nevertheless, your post was well intentioned and it is troublesome to read all the negative comments directed towards you.

Alas, this is not the first time this has happened on TOTV. If someone posts anything deemed "unflattering" about TV that person is immediately excoriated as an "enemy" of TV by the "safety patrol" on TOTV. (Annabelle)

"Again, why question the messenger's integrity? What is your agenda?"

In my opinion, the "agenda" by some (not all) on this site is to protect their "investment" and/or their "fantasy." (Annabelle)

PK, thank you for taking your valuable time to alert the residents of this incident at Lake Minoa. Nice to know that their are residents in TV who are concerned more for the "welfare" of their neighbors than the "image" of TV.

Annabelle

I agree that there does seem to be an agenda from some people on this forum regarding their fantasy land. I live here in TV and think it is wonderful, but it is not perfect. Some posters have said they think competition of the Developer has come on and made things up to make people who are considering this beautiful and safe place, have second thoughts.
Vice versa, I suspect representatives of the Developer have come on to sing the praises of the Villages, to help entice people to buy. Why wouldn't they - its a perfect marketing tool. I take everything I read on TOTV with a grain of salt is all I'm saying.

Competitors of the Villages have posted before and made various attacks on the Villages. I believe when discovered the Administrators have banned these people who usually have very few posts when they start making these attacks.

On the other hand, the developers probably also have posted on TOTV but they would be a lot harder to spot because so many TOTVers love the Villages.

I do though see that victims of crime should have an avenue to speak up about incidents that have occurred in their community without having their motives questioned. Many crimes especially those involving attacks on women go unreported just because the victim is put on the defensive just for broaching the subject. http://womensissues.about.com/od/vio...inst_Women.htm


Crimes do occur in and near the Villages. It is best for people in the Villages to look out for one another because a sexual assault could occur near the sports pools.

I doubt if the Villages media would take any kind of proactive steps to prevent these kind of crimes from happening given how much the Villages official media seems to be committed to the selling of homes.

[graciegirl]

[quote=Taj44;295850]

Originally Posted by Annabelle

I agree that there does seem to be an agenda from some people on this forum regarding their fantasy land. I live here in TV and think it is wonderful, but it is not perfect. Some posters have said they think competition of the Developer has come on and made things up to make people who are considering this beautiful and safe place, have second thoughts.
Vice versa, I suspect representatives of the Developer have come on to sing the praises of the Villages, to help entice people to buy. Why wouldn't they - its a perfect marketing tool. I take everything I read on TOTV with a grain of salt is all I'm saying.

The first would be me.

But I don't see why anyone would trust those that rant more than those that shmooze. (that would be me)

And I am guilty of wishing everyone our age could live here. Yes I am.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac

Competitors of the Villages have posted before and made various attacks on the Villages. I believe when discovered the Administrators have banned these people who usually have very few posts when they start making these attacks.

On the other hand, the developers probably also have posted on TOTV but they would be a lot harder to spot because so many TOTVers love the Villages.

I do though see that victims of crime should have an avenue(Wouldn't the police be the right ones to report a crime?) to speak up about incidents that have occurred in their community without having their motives questioned.(What victim did this happen to?) Many crimes especially those involving attacks on women go unreported just because the victim is put on the defensive just for broaching the subject. http://womensissues.about.com/od/vio...inst_Women.htm


Crimes do occur in and near the Villages. It is best for people in the Villages to look out for one another because a sexual assault could occur near the sports pools.(Why specifically the sports pool and why sexual assault?)

I doubt if the Villages media would take any kind of proactive steps to prevent these kind of crimes from happening given how much the Villages official media seems to be committed to the selling of homes.( What is it you want them to do?)(There have not been any of "these kind of crimes".)[/COLOR]

My comments in red.
I agee with an earlier post...ther is no need to start putting up posters and 20second spots on WVLG based on an incident that the "victims" did not feel was serious enough to tell their story to the police.


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[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by 784caroline

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According to the Dept of REC , "Lake Miona staff was approached by two females that there was an alleged male in the women’s restroom shower". NO WHERE is the term ATTACK used or even implied as it was used in the original post. I think that qualifies as "Embellishment" since attack truly implies a significant and serious event.

Do you think the REC staff should make the all TV residents aware of every incident where a male unknowlingly walked into a female restroom or locker area or a female into a male area??? Lets get real ..its happens...not condoning it but it happens! Most likely there were screams from shock or surprise...not fear. The fact that the ladies involved in the incident did not follow through by providing their names to the Rec staff and/or a "first hand" police report should speak for itself.

Thanks for your embellishment response....you saved me a lot of keystrokes.

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

My comments in red.
I agee with an earlier post...ther is no need to start putting up posters and 20second spots on WVLG based on an incident that the "victims" did not feel was serious enough to tell their story to the police.


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A long while ago on TOTV there were some rumors about sexual assaults at a local supermarket parking lot near one of the Villages' town squares.

It sounded like there was something to this but there were various verbal attacks made by TOTV members by the poster(s) trying to bring these to light.

What is unclear about the fact that women often do not report crimes against them for fear of having their characters put into question? This is especially true when involving domestic violence.

Even on this thread, the victim is not given the benefit of the doubt that there was an actual "attack". It seemed like the concern was more with the image of the sports pools rather than the well being of the woman using the pool.

The security at the sports pools does seem a genuine concern if a man can just walk into the area where women are naked. This goes the other way too with a woman walking in where there are naked men except that men are usually a lot more physically imposing than women. Even though I have met a lot of women who I would not want to meet in a dark alley at night if they were in a mugging mood.

[cabo35]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac

I do though see that victims of crime should have an avenue to speak up about incidents that have occurred in their community without having their motives questioned.

I do not understand your point. What victim of crime regarding the Lake Miona incident in this thread had their motives questioned?

In fact, can you cite any proven, factual example of a real victim who has had their motives questions in any TOTV post?

Let me state up front, I believe that no legitimate victim of a crime should ever have their motives questioned for reporting it on this board. The problem here remains whether there actually was a victim or a crime. Did a man accidentally enter the shower? We don't know. If so, could it have been a janitor? We don't know. Did the alleged intruder have a bathing suit on? Was he fully dressed? We don't know. Who is the victim? We don't know. Did the incident really happen? We don't know. We really need to predicate any judgmental conclusions on facts not speculation.

The point is that there is no apparent evidence of a verifiable victim. If you meant that a rumor was posted and credible TOTV subscribers expressed skepticism about the alarming incident as represented and, in fact, took the initiative to debunk an exaggerated rumor, count me with the "trust but verify" skeptics. They did good work in putting the record in perspective and minimizing the many stressful, anxiety producing concerns of those who concluded the worst before the facts were entered into the equation while at the same time raising awareness about the potential for a real incident.

Perhaps you misread the thread.

I have always enjoyed your articulate and enlightening posts, but have a divergence of opinion on the above point. Professionally, I have had occasion to work with Victim/Witness agencies and I agree with your points on crimes against women but do not understand their correlation to the Lake Miona incident. Perhaps an independent thread on the topic would be beneficial.

I do appreciate most of your posting efforts and have learned from them. Thanks for the cerebral exercise.

My wife and I are going to watch my favorite all time movie tonight (for about the 20th time).......Mamma Mia. Have a good evening in the Villages.