[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

The last thing I want to do is make any statement in defense of sex offenders, but I think we have to be careful here. I don't think the law makes enough of a distinction between various categories of offenders. There is a huge difference between an 18 year old man dating a 15 year old for a year and then having consensual sexual relations, and a 60 year old man luring a 6 year old girl into his van with a puppy. But both could be branded a sex offender for life.
For example, my son had a friend when he lived in Colorado who had a 18 year old son that was just a bit "slow". As a result, he was frequently harassed by some "bullies" in his senior class. One afternoon he was cutting across the athletic fields of the high school that was a complex shared by a middle school and elementary school. He was attacked by 6 or 7 "bullies" who stripped him of all his clothing and took his cell phone, leaving him in the middle of the field naked. There wasn't even a fig tree to grab a leaf from, so he ran towards the school looking for help. He was seen by a group of 4th grade girls who started screaming, which gained the attention of school administration and the police were called. He was arrested, convicted of a sexual offense, and sentenced to 6 months in jail and 5 years probation, as well as being listed for life as a "sex offender". This highlights one of the problems with "zero tolerance" policies. I just don't see this as a sex offense, and since "intent" seems to be a new yardstick applied to the law, I don't see intent either. If anything the true offenders were the group of boys that stripped him. BTW, he named them, but no one was interested. The police "had their man", case closed. The DA had his conviction. Case closed.

Now the true sex offenders are pedophiles who prey on pre-teen children and those who commit non-consensual assault. I don't think two teenagers with poor judgement , and certainly not the boy described above should be branded for life

That being said, probably 90+% of those labeled as sex offenders truly deserve it, so be careful.

Thanks for adding that GE. I have often found the law not only blind but also deaf and dumb in certain cases.

Context is crucial in getting fairness and that is often only allowed to the cases that have a rich defendant or some crusading lawyer involved.

Remember that I have been involved with victims' rights concerns since going into a public library in Reno, Nevada to help find something to assist my fellow Earl Wooster High School students deal with the 2-24-1976 murder of Michelle Mitchell. The daughter of our then remedial English teacher Barbara Mitchell. 2-24 is also my birthday.

Then I was a Student and then Student Attorney for Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners and worked on pieces of maybe forty prisoners' cases mainly at Minnesota Correctional Facility--Stillwater. I did make sure that I really looked into their cases as carefully as I could. Had a know-it-all prison inmate who thought he was a lawyer on occasion. Someone who had a great deal of time on their hands and access to law books. The prison lawyer though often missed the context and just went for fancy tricks pulled by previous lawyers in their law cases.

Recall has much context the lawyer in the Casey Anthony case threw at us viewers! Probably even more at the jury that we were not allowed to see for some reason or another.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by RickeyD

New Hampshire allows a 13 year old female under "special causes" YIKES !!!

We have a lot villagers from New Hampshire. YIKES!

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by RickeyD

My wife jumps on me all the time, I'm use to it.

Ok, ok. TMI. Quit bragging.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by kstew43

That kind of thinking does not belong in todays society.

Actually, we are moving toward that kind of thinking. Society is changing. And not necessarily for the better. We now have men in ladies clothes legally using the women's restroom. We now have openly active organizations that promote man/boy love (NAMBLA). Society tolerated pedophilia, or at least very young teen sexual exploitation by adults, is not far away.

[CFrance]

[QUOTE=outlaw;1300350]Actually, we are moving toward that kind of thinking. society is changing. And not necessarily for the better. We now have men in ladies clothes legally using the women's restroom. We now have openly active organizations that promote man/boy love (NAMBLA). Sociaty tolerated pedophilia, or at least very young teen sexual exploitation by adults, is not fa
We have the kkk and Nazi groups too, but that doesn't mean we're moving toward that kind of thinking. I think you are taking an extreme example and trying to make it seem normal.

[outlaw]

[QUOTE=CFrance;1300353]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Actually, we are moving toward that kind of thinking. society is changing. And not necessarily for the better. We now have men in ladies clothes legally using the women's restroom. We now have openly active organizations that promote man/boy love (NAMBLA). Sociaty tolerated pedophilia, or at least very young teen sexual exploitation by adults, is not fa
We have the kkk and Nazi groups too, but that doesn't mean we're moving toward that kind of thinking. I think you are taking an extreme example and trying to make it seem normal.

I absolutely don't think NAMBLA is normal, nor transgenders. I honestly believe this is the way society is going. Not happy about it, but that's the way I see it.

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=outlaw;1300362]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I absolutely don't think NAMBLA is normal, nor transgenders. I honestly believe this is the way society is going. Not happy about it, but that's the way I see it.

I don't think there has been much change in these 0.02% of the population ABNORMAL groups. Unfortunately, there has been a dramatic change, mostly media driven, in how the other 99.98% of us perceived them, or even how we are PERMITTED to perceive them. I thank "ze" for your comment and now will decide how to self identify my gender today so I can pick a restroom, trashing the rights of those correctly using it

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Thousands. Most of these women I have met are happy to be in the US. This was their ticket out of extreme poverty. They are considered wealthy when they visit family in Vietnam.
US culture is different than many places such as Vietnam, where it is not unusual to marry at a very young age.

I was in military long time seen this lots of times at different bases I was stationed at. You can also add Thailand, Philippines, England, Spain, turkey, panama. I sure other branches of service can add some more.

[D Lynne]

Neuter commuter, do it one time and watch people change.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I don't think there has been much change in these 0.02% of the population ABNORMAL groups. Unfortunately, there has been a dramatic change, mostly media driven, in how the other 99.98% of us perceived them, or even how we are PERMITTED to perceive them. I thank "ze" for your comment and now will decide how to self identify my gender today so I can pick a restroom, trashing the rights of those correctly using it

Nice post as usual.

As far as trans-genders are concerned I doubt if many of us would even know that some person had an operation of some kind done especially if these people are now seniors. They would have had quite a number of hormone and other therapies done.

I have met some people that I am never really sure what sex they even are and sometimes their names are Ryan, Randy, Pat, Charlie, Sam, Jan, Mel, etc.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by D Lynne

Neuter commuter, do it one time and watch people change.

I seriously doubt that. Look how well the death penalty has worked

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I seriously doubt that. Look how well the death penalty has worked

Not particularly well. Hard to deter psychopaths and paranoid schizophrenics and terrorists. If they are locked up they can only do violence to other inmates. That is also a problem but is the prison management's ordeal.

About my own obsession with the legal system there are lessons to be learned with the 2-24-1976 murder investigation in the death of Michelle Mitchell. They really messed up with this one. I am so glad that the death penalty had not been involved. Cops Framed Schizophrenic Woman as Killer Lesbian, Sending Her to Prison for 35 Years - The Daily Beast

[outlaw]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;1300495]

Originally Posted by outlaw

I don't think there has been much change in these 0.02% of the population ABNORMAL groups. Unfortunately, there has been a dramatic change, mostly media driven, in how the other 99.98% of us perceived them, or even how we are PERMITTED to perceive them. I thank "ze" for your comment and now will decide how to self identify my gender today so I can pick a restroom, trashing the rights of those correctly using it

I agree regarding the % of pop hasn't changed. It's just now tolerated for these types to be public, and even accepted as a valid lifestyle by some.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I seriously doubt that. Look how well the death penalty has worked

Pretty well. Zero recidivism rate as far as I know.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Pretty well. Zero recidivism rate as far as I know.

Yet hardly preventative.