[bagboy]

Good old Don Deacon from CDD 4 explaining the backlash from Villagers regarding the 300K they want to spend on striping (this time it's striping) is because of public misperception . I take that as we the home owners are too stupid to understand the cost and necessity of this "pet" project proposed by certain district supervisors.
When it has to be explained that it will "only" cost each homeowner a dollar or two in order to justify the expense, there is a serious flaw in their project, their idea of how the Villagers money should be spent, and THEIR perception of the intelligence quotient of most Villagers.

[Hank N Judy]

Originally Posted by Shimpy

I agree.....The sides of the paths are now lined with a concrete curb that is level with the path and makes a good side border to see. The only thing the side stripe would do is make it brighter. I'd rather have a center line.

The thing I see wrong with the center line is: if someone is walking or biking their are people that would think, oh solid white line I can't cross that. Now we have people being run over. If your eye site is so poor you have to follow a white line I am sure they won't see someone walking either. Also this is not a one time thing. Once something is painted it will have to be repainted. Again I will say if you are having trouble seeing, slow down.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Hank N Judy

The thing I see wrong with the center line is: if someone is walking or biking their are people that would think, oh solid white line I can't cross that...

I'm not sold on the benefits of a center line either. But I'm not sure I see your point here. I ride a bike on the path (with the traffic) and walk on the path (against the traffic). I never cross to the other side either way.

[Hank N Judy]

If someone is walking or biking a golf cart would have to cross the center line to pass them.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Hank N Judy

If someone is walking or biking a golf cart would have to cross the center line to pass them.

The "line" down the center wouldn't be solid, is how I understood it. It would be broken, meaning you can pass. I thought the only solid lines would have been on either side, so people could see the path better in the dark.

[DougB]

Originally Posted by CFrance

The "line" down the center wouldn't be solid, is how I understood it. It would be broken, meaning you can pass. I thought the only solid lines would have been on either side, so people could see the path better in the dark.

You may pass if there is a solid white line.

--Broken white line: cross freely.
--Solid white line: crossing discouraged, but not prohibited.
--A double, solid white line: crossing prohibited.

[looneycat]

Broken White Line
A broken white line separates two lanes traveling in the same direction. Once you have signaled, and if it is safe to do so, you may cross this line when changing lanes.


Solid White Line
A solid white line marks the right edge of the roadway or separates lanes of traffic moving in the same direction. You may travel in the same direction on both sides of this line, but you should not cross the line unless you must do so to avoid a hazard.

the above is from the florida drivers manual....passing per se is not allowed with a solid white line nor is the word 'should' a carte blanche.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by looneycat

Broken White Line
A broken white line separates two lanes traveling in the same direction. Once you have signaled, and if it is safe to do so, you may cross this line when changing lanes.


Solid White Line
A solid white line marks the right edge of the roadway or separates lanes of traffic moving in the same direction. You may travel in the same direction on both sides of this line, but you should not cross the line unless you must do so to avoid a hazard.

the above is from the florida drivers manual....passing per se is not allowed with a solid white line nor is the word 'should' a carte blanche.

I guess the hazard would be running into the guy in front of you because he's walking/biking/carting slower than you are.

[outlaw]

Ride your cart in CDD4. You'll like it.

[pfarineau]

I believe that the most important question to be asked (and I haven't seen it asked yet) is "what do the public safety records show about accidents at night or during inclement weather"? How many accidents have occurred on multimodal paths in the last five (5) years and what was the severity of the accidents? What was the cause of the accidents? How many accident victims said the accident was caused by poor visibility? When these statistics are revealed I believe we will have the answer as to whether or not striping is needed.

[Alphorn]

Has anyone considered that many of the carts sold on campus have highly tinted windshields? I had trouble seeing at night and if the top half was folded down and/or I had sunglasses on, as it got darker, I couldn't see crosswalks. I had to make quite a fuss to get a reasonable windshield. I can think of better uses for money that are attempting to compensate for carts that are not set up for night driving.

[Dan9871]

The Districts had just that study done by an engineering firm and they found that the accidents stat's showed that side stripping would not make the paths any safer.

Originally Posted by pfarineau

I believe that the most important question to be asked (and I haven't seen it asked yet) is "what do the public safety records show about accidents at night or during inclement weather"? How many accidents have occurred on multimodal paths in the last five (5) years and what was the severity of the accidents? What was the cause of the accidents? How many accident victims said the accident was caused by poor visibility? When these statistics are revealed I believe we will have the answer as to whether or not striping is needed.

[Flflyer]

Been here 10 years and never had an accident. Don't do the speed that your headlights can't illuminate and there is no need for stripping.

[EnglishJW]

Originally Posted by billethkid

What some residents will have to learn is that there is not an endless supply of money to keep adding expenses to a budget that for all practical purposes has a fixed source (you and me and our annual contribution).

The attitude of some stating it is only $4 more per month per person is seriously flawed thinking. It is absolutely an option.....as long as residents understand to free up $300,000 from the budgeted amount to do striping of cart paths then something else amounting to $300,000 has to be deleted from the budget. If not then there will be an increase in amenity or what ever fees contribute to the funding.

The single biggest threat to TV life style remaining as what we all bought into is run away expenses with increasing resident fees to accomodate the whims of some number of residents.

I have personally been involved with transition teams shifting ownership from developers to residents. The developer, like it or not has a budget discipline. They also have many expenses that they subsidize that go away when they do. Once the developer is out of the picture then residents find "things" they would like to have added, improved, made bigger, prettier and on and on.
Anything is possible. As long as residents understand there is only a fixed amount of money available (from the residents). Adding a projedt not bugeted means taking something else away OR raise fees. Some delude themselves into having a special assessment for their favorite project ending up with the normal fees plus the assessment (which may go away after some specified time period...but usuallly do not).

I take the time to spell out my views on the subject because far too many people think a community can absorb all the costs. The can....when the fees are increased.

How about fees going from the roughly $300 per month we pay now to double that amount? No way that could happen here in TV? Yes it can and will if we do not DEMAND a fiscal financial responsibility. I have lived through a doubling of annual fees after a departing developer in the past.

Maybe while TV developer is still involved we might not experience any assessment or increases.....maybe.....$300,000 is a lot of money that has to come from some place.

If it were 100% resident funded are you willing to make monthly payments to have it done? If not then you better make yourself heard.

The silent majority can ONLY LOSE!!

I vote no striping. The end does not justify the a $300,000 expenditure or $30,000 either! Just drive the paths as some of us have for the last 12-20 years of being here. Don't get sucked into an emotional sales job!

Thanks for your work & effort. I agree with your comments.

[EnglishJW]

Originally Posted by outlaw

I love the new flowers every quarter. That was one of the factors for moving here.

I agree - it is part of what makes TV a very special place.