[ldj1938]

Originally Posted by vette

Have to agree with golf2140 and the engineering firm that recommended not to stripe. If your vision is that bad that u can't see the path at night upgrade the headlights on your cart or better yet Don't drive at night. If you're that drunk that u can't see the path at night. Guess What!!

Bottom line you Can't legislate away stupidity... And stripes won't make it go away either!

As an early tee-time golfer in the winter you are making the trip in the dark, possibly raining, trying not to run over the walkers on the wrong side of the cart path I support striping! How many of the cart path drivers that must drive with restricted visibility would support striping? Your response is based on very little experience in the real world.

[NavyNJ]

Interesting subject, to be sure. I'm usually in the "less is more" camp, but on this one, I might force myself to be in the "very limited is ok" group. Total center striping - No; Total side striping - No; A well thought out, value-add installation of strategically placed side stripes/markers (I prefer markers to stripes, everywhere!), combined with center markers near dangerous intersections/medians - Yes.

And there are other "golf cart" communities out there - just need to look a little and find them. Maybe establish some sort of dialogue with their community managers to see if they've crossed the same ground before - with another solution. The one shown at the link has been doing "golf carts" since at least the early 80's, maybe longer. And, at least in the one picture they post on their web site - no markings on their multi-use paths.

Peachtree City, GA

[Bootcamp]

Look at how often you drive at night on the paths, and the weather presented a problem. Does it warrant, this kind of money. I don't think so!!!

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

First of all, I am not an expert specifically on striping of multi-modal paths. I'm not sure experts in that field even exist. Widespread use of multi-modal paths does not exist...yet. Very few other places, if any, have them as a major mode of transportation such as in The Villages. That makes for very little data. That being said...

The only problem I see with the paths in TV is lack of visibility in certain limited sections of the path at night. For this reason, I think striping on the edges of the path...and better markings of some medians...has merit.

While I haven't thoroughly considered possible pros/cons of center-line striping, at this time I don't see any obvious benefit.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge I appreciate it.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by billethkid

What some residents will have to learn is that there is not an endless supply of money to keep adding expenses to a budget that for all practical purposes has a fixed source (you and me and our annual contribution).

The attitude of some stating it is only $4 more per month per person is seriously flawed thinking. It is absolutely an option.....as long as residents understand to free up $300,000 from the budgeted amount to do striping of cart paths then something else amounting to $300,000 has to be deleted from the budget. If not then there will be an increase in amenity or what ever fees contribute to the funding.

The single biggest threat to TV life style remaining as what we all bought into is run away expenses with increasing resident fees to accomodate the whims of some number of residents.

I have personally been involved with transition teams shifting ownership from developers to residents. The developer, like it or not has a budget discipline. They also have many expenses that they subsidize that go away when they do. Once the developer is out of the picture then residents find "things" they would like to have added, improved, made bigger, prettier and on and on.
Anything is possible. As long as residents understand there is only a fixed amount of money available (from the residents). Adding a projedt not bugeted means taking something else away OR raise fees. Some delude themselves into having a special assessment for their favorite project ending up with the normal fees plus the assessment (which may go away after some specified time period...but usuallly do not).

I take the time to spell out my views on the subject because far too many people think a community can absorb all the costs. The can....when the fees are increased.

How about fees going from the roughly $300 per month we pay now to double that amount? No way that could happen here in TV? Yes it can and will if we do not DEMAND a fiscal financial responsibility. I have lived through a doubling of annual fees after a departing developer in the past.

Maybe while TV developer is still involved we might not experience any assessment or increases.....maybe.....$300,000 is a lot of money that has to come from some place.

If it were 100% resident funded are you willing to make monthly payments to have it done? If not then you better make yourself heard.

The silent majority can ONLY LOSE!!

I vote no striping. The end does not justify the a $300,000 expenditure or $30,000 either! Just drive the paths as some of us have for the last 12-20 years of being here. Don't get sucked into an emotional sales job!

NO, NO, NO to sideline striping. Stop the financial irresponsibility - $300,000 for side lining, $2,000,000 annually to replace the flowers at the intersections/roundabouts when FF plants would be just as nice. This irresponsibility goes on and on.

The majority of the carts that travel on the MMP's go 20 mph or less. If a person does not have the reaction time to suddenly stop their cart or safely correct the direction of their cart because of their inattention or even just their ability to pay attention to what their doing anymore, stop driving. Side lines are not going to correct ignorance and that's what causes most accidents.

STOP THE MADNESS.

[outlaw]

I love the new flowers every quarter. That was one of the factors for moving here.

[Happydaz]

Road striping can be very slippery. I remember when I was motorcycling I avoided the stripes like the plaque. At intersections when I was coming to a stop I was very careful not to put a foot down on a painted stripe lest my foot slip and I would fall over. For that reason, if the cart paths are striped I will not ride my bicycle on any side stripe or center stripe, so rather than staying to the far right I will be riding in the middle of the lane which will make it more difficult for carts to pass me. Walkers will also have to be careful about the stripes. Striping all the paths will make them golf cart paths. You rarely see walkers on the paths anymore and most of the bicyclists are taking to the streets so I guess it won't be that much of an issue.

[Hank N Judy]

Originally Posted by Bootcamp

Look at how often you drive at night on the paths, and the weather presented a problem. Does it warrant, this kind of money. I don't think so!!!

If the people that say they can't see at night would adjust there headlights to the path instead of shining in the ski they would be able to see

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Hank N Judy

If the people that say they can't see at night would adjust there headlights to the path instead of shining in the ski they would be able to see

Nope. At least not always.

My headlights are adjusted properly. The areas I found questionable were those where there was a lack of contrast between dark surfaces adjacent to the path and the path itself. Often this was in an area where the path curved back and forth, sometimes more sharply and frequently than average. The headlights sometimes were not even pointed toward the upcoming curved segment until the cart was almost at that segment.

[Hank N Judy]

This is no different then driving on the interstate in fog and following the white line into the back of a tractor trailer. If you can,t see slow up

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by ldj1938

As an early tee-time golfer in the winter you are making the trip in the dark, possibly raining, trying not to run over the walkers on the wrong side of the cart path I support striping! How many of the cart path drivers that must drive with restricted visibility would support striping? Your response is based on very little experience in the real world.

Why would you drive in the dark, possibly raining, or are visually impaired. I know that stupid is real world but nothing you put on the path will fix that.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Hank N Judy

This is no different then driving on the interstate in fog and following the white line into the back of a tractor trailer. If you can,t see slow up

Well, if you call driving in fog and driving with no fog the same, I guess you're right.

Can't argue with the "if you can't see, slow up" part though.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

NO, NO, NO to sideline striping. Stop the financial irresponsibility - $300,000 for side lining, $2,000,000 annually to replace the flowers at the intersections/roundabouts when FF plants would be just as nice. This irresponsibility goes on and on.

The majority of the carts that travel on the MMP's go 20 mph or less. If a person does not have the reaction time to suddenly stop their cart or safely correct the direction of their cart because of their inattention or even just their ability to pay attention to what their doing anymore, stop driving. Side lines are not going to correct ignorance and that's what causes most accidents.

STOP THE MADNESS.

So, since I suspect the majority would disagree with you and actually enjoy the change of "seasons" that occur through the plantings and have a respect for the investments made to this community to keep it clean and visually pleasing.......it begs the question, why are you here? There has to be an over 55 Community that would fit your views better than this one. As has been said many times, TV isn't for everyone.

[Shimpy]

Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA

Total waste of money. It will do nothing. A center lane strip would be more helpful. Expect your monthly fees to go up!

I agree.....The sides of the paths are now lined with a concrete curb that is level with the path and makes a good side border to see. The only thing the side stripe would do is make it brighter. I'd rather have a center line.

[Mleeja]

There has been a lot of good conversation here both for and against. Please show up at the meeting on 7/20. Make your voice heard.