[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Ksfirefighter

If you want to really create a change, go after the biggest users and polluters, like China!
They don’t really care about the environment. Just churning out cheap crap that nobody ever really needs.
If you want a change, stop buying from them and support those who are like minded. If nobody buys the crap they produce then production will fall and less pollution.

I agree with your concept, but I don't think it is possible to stop buying products made in China or other polluting countries.

[WhoDat]

Originally Posted by maxfl1

And, surely, you have a phd in the area. Would you like to hear from an MIT scientist on the subject. Go debate him:
2018 Annual GWPF Lecture - Prof Richard Lindzen - Global Warming For The Two Cultures - YouTube
Learn something.

Thank you. Great video.

[MrFlorida]

Things change naturally, ask the dinosaurs.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Every time I hear that one about sprinklers burning your lawn or flowers I have to laugh , if that were true with all the rain showers we have there would be no grass or flowers , but it is a waste of money watering your yard during day and of no help

[Pachine58]

Solar panels will make great freebies in the hurricane winds. Good luck evacuating in your electric car in bumper to bumper traffic. And how you going to charge it up after a storm when power has been out for days?

So many holes in the pie in sky green dreams.. nuclear and fossil fuels work…period.

[pablo cruze]

Originally Posted by zendog3

This year we have experienced stronger storms, more frequent floods, droughts, forest fires, rising seas, melting glaciers, etc. Most people will agree that global warming, caused by the release of carbon dioxide into the air, is a primary driver of catastrophic weather events that will seriously impact the quality of life our children and grandchildren will inherit from us. The Villages is uniquely positioned to lead the nation in remediating the harmful effects of ongoing carbon dioxide pollution.

It would be a source of pride for all Villagers if the developer of The Villages, the preeminent builder in central Florida, and an enormously profitable business, would announce one of its forthcoming villages would be a “Solar Village.” Every house and public building in the solar village could be partially solar-powered.

As it has led in planned community development, The Villages can lead the nation in sustainable community development.

I plan to install solar on my home, after I complete my other projects. My reason is to reduce my monthly costs, so I will need to make sure the business case is solid. I know the component costs are coming down, and the efficiency is going up. There is tax credit to offset the investment.

Problem is that there are a bunch of sales people from different companies that don't know what they are talking about. The don't know anything about the systems that they are trying to pawn. Their spiel is to say that you will get it for free, in that your monthly payment to them will be the same or less than the cost of paying your current electric bill. The roll in the tax credit to make it look good. Their system cost is triple of what it should actually cost. If the developer were negotiate a system with a supplier, it would be much more cost effective.

Oh, also even if I use 0.00 KW in a month, I still need to pay SECO $1 per day. What a scam.

Of course the solar system is clean and green, but money talks. If a new home were to have the solar power installed, the cost to build the home would increase about $8000 on average, but they could charge $13K - $14K extra to the home buyer, and it would still be a good value to the homebuyer, while the developer makes more profit. If they want to do a whole village like this or at least a section of a village, it would be pretty cool. Better yet, if they could let customers spec if they what the system or not, and perhaps let them chose the system capacity, or even if they want storage batteries to use stored energy at night.

I know people that spend a lot to have a backup generator; putting that invested amount toward solar energy production is financially more sensible.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by zendog3

This year we have experienced stronger storms, more frequent floods, droughts, forest fires, rising seas, melting glaciers, etc. Most people will agree that global warming, caused by the release of carbon dioxide into the air, is a primary driver of catastrophic weather events that will seriously impact the quality of life our children and grandchildren will inherit from us. The Villages is uniquely positioned to lead the nation in remediating the harmful effects of ongoing carbon dioxide pollution.

It would be a source of pride for all Villagers if the developer of The Villages, the preeminent builder in central Florida, and an enormously profitable business, would announce one of its forthcoming villages would be a “Solar Village.” Every house and public building in the solar village could be partially solar-powered.

As it has led in planned community development, The Villages can lead the nation in sustainable community development.

I wish that you would run for local politics. But, you are too idealistic about TV Land. It is set up to make $$$$ and not for social good! It is one of the most backward places that I have ever lived in! Like dark-ages backward. Sit down in a foldup chair in ANY residential TV Land street with pretty much Golf Car traffic. Wait until a Golf Car goes past you for about 60 feet. Then start taking deep breaths and use your nose. Most are gas Golf Cars and unless brand new will smell like you poured gasoline on your own shirt! They STINK, STINK, STINK, AND MORE STINK. The drivers are moving into fresh air so they do NOT realize what a terrible thing they are doing to TV Landers and even the upper atmosphere. Notice that when a regular car or small truck goes by they don't stink sometimes NOT at all. And what are the health effects on an older population, some with allergies, asthma, or other serious problems?

But GOLF is KING in TV land. So, no one BETTER say a bad word about the polluting machines called golf cars. And put the screws to the environment even though these small gas machines are polluting more than the larger smog control devices protected large vehicles. And then there is the LAWN MOWER polluting MACHINES BURNING gasoline. And the 2-STROKE 120 DB noise blasting leaf blowers - do THEY get a pass. I know that there are a bizzillion OIL lobbyists pushing for more gas usage - but this is BEYOND ridiculous!

So, if they can't fix what is right in front of their nose? - How can I expect them to fix or be in ANY way helpful in combating global warming. Not going to happen in this state - in this lifetime. They might talk some words about getting with a GREEN program. But, the real GREEN is what will be priority numero uno! So good luck and when you tire of changing those minds - please join MY club for the jousting of windmills!

[HORNET]

Global changes are on frequencies, Democrats believe that if they throw enough of our tax dollars out they will become richer and they know that it is a scam that they started during Gore’s time!

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Notsocrates

1. Cows cannot digest grass (cellulose) because they lack the enzyme, cellulase, needed to metabolize that carbohydrate.

2. They are able to nourish themselves by having gut bacteria who do have cellulase. The end product of this metabolism is called carbon dioxide and is passed via the rectum which is called a fart.

Have you ever lived on a farm with cattle? I did and I never heard a cow fart.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I wish that you would run for local politics. But, you are too idealistic about TV Land. It is set up to make $$$$ and not for social good! It is one of the most backward places that I have ever lived in! Like dark-ages backward. Sit down in a foldup chair in ANY residential TV Land street with pretty much Golf Car traffic. Wait until a Golf Car goes past you for about 60 feet. Then start taking deep breaths and use your nose. Most are gas Golf Cars and unless brand new will smell like you poured gasoline on your own shirt! They STINK, STINK, STINK, AND MORE STINK. The drivers are moving into fresh air so they do NOT realize what a terrible thing they are doing to TV Landers and even the upper atmosphere. Notice that when a regular car or small truck goes by they don't stink sometimes NOT at all. And what are the health effects on an older population, some with allergies, asthma, or other serious problems?

But GOLF is KING in TV land. So, no one BETTER say a bad word about the polluting machines called golf cars. And put the screws to the environment even though these small gas machines are polluting more than the larger smog control devices protected large vehicles. And then there is the LAWN MOVER polluting MACHINES BURNING gasoline. And the 2-STROKE 120 DB noise blasting leaf blowers - do THEY get a pass. I know that there are a bizzillion OIL lobbyists pushing for more gas usage - but this is BEYOND ridiculous!

So, if they can't fix what is right in front of their nose? - How can I expect them to fix or be in ANY way helpful in combating global warming. Not going to happen in this state - in this lifetime. They might talk some words about getting with a GREEN program. But, the real GREEN is what will be priority numero uno! So good luck and when you tire of changing those minds - please join MY club for the jousting of windmills!

You moved into a golf course/golf cart community and you're surprised there are a lot of golf courses and golf carts?

I wish I could think of some way, just some thing you could do to make you happy...

[Number 10 GI]

I did some quick searching and found that and there are an estimated 989 million head of cattle in the world and 7.8 billion humans. So who do you think is generating the most methane from farts. A human on the average passes gas 10 to 18 times a day, that's a lot of gas.

[zendog3]

Wow! I was aware there were still people who disagreed that global climate change was a fact and that people were the primary cause, but I am amazed by the passion of some readers.

Your opinion was common in the '70s, but the consensus among scientists studying climate has moved. Perhaps you should take another look at the science.

It is not reasonable to expect any reader of this list to read all the primary science. Instead, we must select our sources and evaluate not the scientific research but the authority of the source. Bush, Gore, Trump, Hannity, Biden, etc., are not the people we should trust in matters where there is a scientific answer. Because the stakes are so high, we need to consider the words and writings of scientists researching this field.

I refer you to Wikipedia for a summary, where a long and meticulously documented article is waiting.

Surveys of scientists' views on climate change - Wikipedia

People violently opposed to the idea of global warming will not read an article that attacks their fundamental beliefs. People skeptical may look at the charts and graphs. However, anyone with faith in science who reads the report can not help but be persuaded by the consensus statement quoted here:

Academic studies of scientific agreement on human-caused global warming among climate experts (2010–2019) reflect that the level of consensus correlates with expertise in climate science.[302][303]
There is an overwhelming scientific consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in recent decades and that the trend is caused mainly by human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases, with 90–100% (depending on the exact question, timing and sampling methodology) of publishing climate scientists agreeing.[304] The consensus has grown to 100% among research scientists on anthropogenic global warming as of 2019.[305] No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view.[306] Consensus has further developed that some form of action should be taken to protect people against the impacts of climate change, and national science academies have called on world leaders to cut global emissions.[307]

The Wikipedia article is backed with pages and pages of citations to original scientific papers.

Most of us will die in a world where the earth's temperature is still rising and climate catastrophe is growing. It is for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren that we need to act now.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Please tell me that is a tongue in cheek joke, please. No one, perhaps with the exception of Al Gore, should believe any of this "global warming" garbage that is being shoved down our throats, although PT Barnum was right when he said that there is one born every minute. I have explained at least a dozen times that we have been in an ice age for 4+ million years with cyclical periods of glaciation and thaws (and therefore periods of warming and cooling). We have been through both the warming and cooling limbs of this cycle at least 2 dozen times in that period and 2 things are true-----
1) we are still here
2) It HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUV'S OR ANY OTHER ACTIVITY OF MAN

Our kids and grandkids?????? Not likely, although our descendants in about 15,000 years will live at the peak of the warming cycle and our coastal cities will be under 100 feet of water. But don't break out the sunscreen and swim trunks just yet, because 30,000 years after that, NY City will again be under 2 miles of ice.

But, if anyone doesn't understand the simple science behind paleoclimatology, then by all means let's spend 100 trillion dollars over the next 40 years to combat "global warming" What a joke!

PS: This is not to denigrate solar power---it is a good thing and there are plenty of reasons to utilize it. However "global warming" is NOT one of them

Solar power, wind power, tide power, electric generation from waterfalls, even nuclear power (if we can keep it under control) - they are all better than coal or oil and gasoline. And why make the middle east wealthy and powerful - they NEVER did anything for us except cause us problems?

[zendog3]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I wish that you would run for local politics. But, you are too idealistic about TV Land. It is set up to make $$$$ and not for social good! It is one of the most backward places that I have ever lived in! Like dark-ages backward. Sit down in a foldup chair in ANY residential TV Land street with pretty much Golf Car traffic. Wait until a Golf Car goes past you for about 60 feet. Then start taking deep breaths and use your nose. Most are gas Golf Cars and unless brand new will smell like you poured gasoline on your own shirt! They STINK, STINK, STINK, AND MORE STINK. The drivers are moving into fresh air so they do NOT realize what a terrible thing they are doing to TV Landers and even the upper atmosphere. Notice that when a regular car or small truck goes by they don't stink sometimes NOT at all. And what are the health effects on an older population, some with allergies, asthma, or other serious problems?

But GOLF is KING in TV land. So, no one BETTER say a bad word about the polluting machines called golf cars. And put the screws to the environment even though these small gas machines are polluting more than the larger smog control devices protected large vehicles. And then there is the LAWN MOVER polluting MACHINES BURNING gasoline. And the 2-STROKE 120 DB noise blasting leaf blowers - do THEY get a pass. I know that there are a bizzillion OIL lobbyists pushing for more gas usage - but this is BEYOND ridiculous!

So, if they can't fix what is right in front of their nose? - How can I expect them to fix or be in ANY way helpful in combating global warming. Not going to happen in this state - in this lifetime. They might talk some words about getting with a GREEN program. But, the real GREEN is what will be priority numero uno! So good luck and when you tire of changing those minds - please join MY club for the jousting of windmills!

Many folks on this list have said the developer is only interested in money. I could not disagree more.

The lot my house is built on backs to a golf course and pond. I paid about $100,000 for that view. I drive about one-quarter of a mile on Hillsborough beside the same view when I leave my home. The developer is not stupid. They knew they could have moved the street and sold every sixty feet of that view for $100,000. The developer, long ago, made more money than they will ever spend. Some rich man once said, “After a certain amount, money is only a way to keep score.”

I believe one of the primary interests of the developer is their legacy. When the members of the family, like their parents before them, die, I think they want to be remembered, not for their immense wealth, but for the community they created. That is why tie idea of a solar village is a possibility.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by zendog3

Wow! I was aware there were still people who disagreed that global climate change was a fact and that people were the primary cause, but I am amazed by the passion of some readers.

Your opinion was common in the '70s, but the consensus among scientists studying climate has moved. Perhaps you should take another look at the science.

It is not reasonable to expect any reader of this list to read all the primary science. Instead, we must select our sources and evaluate not the scientific research but the authority of the source. Bush, Gore, Trump, Hannity, Biden, etc., are not the people we should trust in matters where there is a scientific answer. Because the stakes are so high, we need to consider the words and writings of scientists researching this field.

I refer you to Wikipedia for a summary, where a long and meticulously documented article is waiting.

Surveys of scientists' views on climate change - Wikipedia

People violently opposed to the idea of global warming will not read an article that attacks their fundamental beliefs. People skeptical may look at the charts and graphs. However, anyone with faith in science who reads the report can not help but be persuaded by the consensus statement quoted here:

Academic studies of scientific agreement on human-caused global warming among climate experts (2010–2019) reflect that the level of consensus correlates with expertise in climate science.[302][303]
There is an overwhelming scientific consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in recent decades and that the trend is caused mainly by human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases, with 90–100% (depending on the exact question, timing and sampling methodology) of publishing climate scientists agreeing.[304] The consensus has grown to 100% among research scientists on anthropogenic global warming as of 2019.[305] No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view.[306] Consensus has further developed that some form of action should be taken to protect people against the impacts of climate change, and national science academies have called on world leaders to cut global emissions.[307]

The Wikipedia article is backed with pages and pages of citations to original scientific papers.

Most of us will die in a world where the earth's temperature is still rising and climate catastrophe is growing. It is for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren that we need to act now.

First---Wikipedia??????. Pllleeeezzzzzzeeeeeee

Second----all those "original scientific papers" were paid for by.....wait for it.....government grants.

Third, unless you grandchildren live to be 15,000 years old, they have nothing to worry about.

just goes to prove P.T. Barnum was right