[Win1894]

[QUOTE=DaleDivine;2014523]

Originally Posted by Win1894

The premise that solar is the savior of the planet is irritatingly ignorant. Do the physics. It's not green and it's not renewable. You've been sold a bill of goods. First, where do you think most PV cells come from - China. Second, what are you going to do for power when the sun don't shine or at night? Batteries you say - not possible. The battery capacity would have to be so massive it would shift the Earth's orbit.

UMMMM, where would this extra weight come from if it's not already on/in the earth...

OK, so let me restate the point for those who have difficulties with hyperbole. To provide any kind of electrical storage capacity to the grid to operate when the sun isn't producing electricity (which is most of the time) would be prohibitively massive and extraordinarily expensive, and therefore unworkable.

[NoMoSno]

If everybody started driving electric vehicles tomorrow our electric grid would collapse.
California can barely keep the lights on when there is a spike in AC use.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Easy. I'm not taking grant money from a federal government that clearly has a political agenda to purport, and I'm citing pure paleoclimatology and experts who are not supported by the government as well. Try reading the rather simplistic summary by ABC news (hardly a conservative media outlet) that I posted a link to a page or two back.

Hmmmm....Sounds so similar to those who question the validity of the Covid vaccine and Dr. F. Interesting isn't it, how some folks can apply reasoning and logic in one area of science, but that same reasoning and logic cannot be applied to another area of science. It's all about whatever agenda promotes certain beliefs.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jswirs

Hmmmm....Sounds so similar to those who question the validity of the Covid vaccine and Dr. F. Interesting isn't it, how some folks can apply reasoning and logic in one area of science, but that same reasoning and logic cannot be applied to another area of science. It's all about whatever agenda promotes certain beliefs.

That made no sense whatsoever

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Laker14

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

the above link cites the following organizations as supporting the claim that the climate is warming, and that human activities are a major, if not THE major drivers:
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Chemical Society
American Geophysical Union
American Meteorological Society
American Physical (Physics) Society
The Geological Society of America

So what is it that makes you so sure your science is more accurate and reliable than the science of these organizations ?

Big FAT Amen on that post. That IS a be-all and end-all FINALIZATION about these misguided, strange, science-denying posts that the science-deniers are using to PRETEND that humans do NOT affect Earth's climate. They are figuratively urinating on their own mother - Mother Earth!!!!! What a pathetic human thing to DO! And they are LOUD and PROUD about their misinformation. I believe that their motivation is to RATIONALIZE the raping of the US's GREEN plains and forests and waters for personal greed and profits. And to rationalize that they are NOT terrible people (monsters really) passing a dead US and planet on to their great-grandchildren. And show off your ignorance by "HATING-ON" Greta Thunberg! This issue has been OFFICIALLY answered to perfection and certitude by this post! Further debate by the anti-global warming effects by humans is rendered null and void - moot, and FUTILE!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by The Caretaker

Maybe California would be a better place for you to retire.

I think now that I will pick France. High taxes for the wealthy (that can afford them) and LOW taxes for the real people, the lower and middle class. (yes, they STILL have a middle class, unlike the US of the 1%). France has Universal Health Care, good pre-schools, good maturity and paternity leave, good wine and better restaurants than the US, healthier foods, they play great soccer, and they have hot babes and more nude beaches.
.....See yah, I am packing up as we speak!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Big FAT Amen on that post. That IS a be-all and end-all FINALIZATION about these misguided, strange, science-denying posts that the science-deniers are using to PRETEND that humans do NOT affect Earth's climate. They are figuratively urinating on their own mother - Mother Earth!!!!! What a pathetic human thing to DO! And they are LOUD and PROUD about their misinformation. I believe that their motivation is to RATIONALIZE the raping of the US's GREEN plains and forests and waters for personal greed and profits. And to rationalize that they are NOT terrible people (monsters really) passing a dead US and planet on to their great-grandchildren. And show off your ignorance by "HATING-ON" Greta Thunberg! This issue has been OFFICIALLY answered to perfection and certitude by this post! Further debate by the anti-global warming effects by humans is rendered null and void - moot, and FUTILE!!!!!!

Unfortunately, we have to part ways on this one. THE science is that we are in and ice age with cyclical periods of glaciation and interglacial thaws that have repeated themselves every 60-90,000 years. Period. PERIOD. THAT is the science.

As far as human activity goes, THE SCIENCE is that we have had/are having a MINIMAL effect on these overwhelmingly powerful forces of the sun, and what effect we have had is related to 8,000 years of agriculture in Asia and NOT YOUR SUV, and even at that at best all we have done is delay the next period of glaciation by 3-5,000 years

The POLITICS is that the powers that be WANT to have us believe all this garbage about "climate change" for God knows what reason (other than to spend $100 trillion to "combat" it). To that end, they have financed the "scientists" that will publish papers and give interviews that agree with their agenda through government grants, and shut out those that tell the truth that it is all nonsense and beyond our influence and control.

So, in summary, all "these misguided, strange, science-denying posts that the science-deniers are using to PRETEND that humans do NOT affect Earth's climate. " are coming from those that have bought into this climate change nonsense, not those of us who are familiar with THE SCIENCE of paleoclimatology.

[retiredguy123]

Can someone please post another country's (other than the USA) scientific view of climate change and how many trillions of dollars they plan to spend to save the planet?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I think now that I will pick France. High taxes for the wealthy (that can afford them) and LOW taxes for the real people, the lower and middle class. (yes, they STILL have a middle class, unlike the US of the 1%). France has Universal Health Care, good pre-schools, good maturity and paternity leave, good wine and better restaurants than the US, healthier foods, they play great soccer, and they have hot babes and more nude beaches.
.....See yah, I am packing up as we speak!

Wow, didn't realize that only the low class were "real people".

As far as France goes, I thought you were in love with Portugal. That being said, France is the armpit of Europe. Why are the streets of Paris lined with trees?----because German soldiers like marching in the shade. What is the French National Military Salute?----Hands over head with rifle on ground in front of them. And I forgot the French term for "take our country but leave us alone to make our creamy sauces". This is a country that sent their ambassador to the Cameroons to lobby against the US in favor of Iraq. Ever visit Normandy and see the tens of thousands of crosses marking the grave of US servicemen who gave their lives liberating France. This is a country that should be on its knees thanking us ever day for what we did and NEVER EVER stand against us.

Pardon the rant but an uncle and a cousin died on Omaha Beach

PS: They DO have much better wine and restaurants, but their "national healthcare" is a total joke. Argue that if you want, but when was the last time you heard of a head of state or a billionaire flocking to France for medical care instead of NY or Boston????

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

More money is the key to MORE POWER. Was Bezos satisfied, was the Kock Bros satisfied, was Jack Welsh, what about S. Adelson? Power, power, and more power!!!!!!!!

POWER evolves into their RELIGION - I don't know why, I would just retire at 35 like most of them could and did NOT.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Can someone please post another country's (other than the USA) scientific view of climate change and how many trillions of dollars they plan to spend to save the planet?

I'm sorry, I think you misspelled "receive" as s-p-e-n-d

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Laker14

Wow. That is a really weak answer. If that's all you got, you got nothing, especially not common sense.

You may as well have said "because I say so".

I agree with the logic of this post

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Can someone please post another country's (other than the USA) scientific view of climate change and how many trillions of dollars they plan to spend to save the planet?

China's contribution is opening more coal-fired power plants:
Climate Change: China Plans 43 New Coal-Fired Power Plants | Time

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Easy. I'm not taking grant money from a federal government that clearly has a political agenda to purport, and I'm citing pure paleoclimatology and experts who are not supported by the government as well. Try reading the rather simplistic summary by ABC news (hardly a conservative media outlet) that I posted a link to a page or two back.

I've gone back through the pages and I can't find that link, can you repost it for me?
Thanks.

As far as your belief that any government sponsored research is tainted, by an "agenda", what about research funded by the fossil fuel industry?
Are you believing that the fossil fuel industry has no money leveraged into the Federal Government, and exerts no pressure on the governmentally funded science? That seems far fetched to me.
Can we find some science not funded by either?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I do have common sense. It tells me that, if the planet needs to be saved, it needs to be a global initiative. But, all of the organizations you cited have "America" in their name. Our country only represents about 5 percent of the planet's population. So, where do the rest of the countries stand on the issue?

The US does have only 5% of the world's population, but about 20% of the world's wealth, which makes us listened to by the world and we are their spiritual leaders for the concept of Democracy and the COMMON MAN! _ that has been true except recently as we have become world laughingstocks! Mostly caused by prior greed in our Capital City, but EVEN lately with a STUPID pull-out of Afghanistan and an EVEN stupider pull-out leaving our FRIENDS the Kurds to die!
........And the initial CV response was so weak as to be laughable and maybe even criminal!