[jimjamuser]

[QUOTE=Win1894;2014753]

Originally Posted by DaleDivine

OK, so let me restate the point for those who have difficulties with hyperbole. To provide any kind of electrical storage capacity to the grid to operate when the sun isn't producing electricity (which is most of the time) would be prohibitively massive and extraordinarily expensive, and therefore unworkable.

if we are going to talk about "wasted electrical power" I would start tearing down the massive server farms of BitCoin that waste tons of energy. I would lose them before losing one Toyota Prius. I can't relate to criminals and quasi-criminals hiding their money and transactions.....bad, bad, and very bad!

[biker1]

Don't know if the following is true or not but it is an interesting, if not startling, number.

The most reputable such estimate comes from the University of Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index, according to which the global bitcoin network currently consumes about 80 terawatt-hours of electricity annually, roughly equal to the annual output of 23 coal-fired power plants, or close to what is consumed by the nation of Finland.

[QUOTE=jimjamuser;2014858]

Originally Posted by Win1894

if we are going to talk about "wasted electrical power" I would start tearing down the massive server farms of BitCoin that waste tons of energy. I would lose them before losing one Toyota Prius. I can't relate to criminals and quasi-criminals hiding their money and transactions.....bad, bad, and very bad!

[jimjamuser]

Sorry! Too bad! I enjoyed the pre-parting of the ways and the seas! Sticks and stones MAY break my bones, but BIG WORDS like paleoclimatologyicalnessly-on-vacation-or-otherwise, can NEVER hurt me. I will respectfully agree to disagree with that one out of respect for your biggy brainy, but not your condescending and humid condensationatinglyness "tude" about all things right and good about those commie, hippy, LIBERALS, who we love to hate on!

[Tbrazie]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Please tell me that is a tongue in cheek joke, please. No one, perhaps with the exception of Al Gore, should believe any of this "global warming" garbage that is being shoved down our throats, although PT Barnum was right when he said that there is one born every minute. I have explained at least a dozen times that we have been in an ice age for 4+ million years with cyclical periods of glaciation and thaws (and therefore periods of warming and cooling). We have been through both the warming and cooling limbs of this cycle at least 2 dozen times in that period and 2 things are true-----
1) we are still here
2) It HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUV'S OR ANY OTHER ACTIVITY OF MAN

Our kids and grandkids?????? Not likely, although our descendants in about 15,000 years will live at the peak of the warming cycle and our coastal cities will be under 100 feet of water. But don't break out the sunscreen and swim trunks just yet, because 30,000 years after that, NY City will again be under 2 miles of ice.

But, if anyone doesn't understand the simple science behind paleoclimatology, then by all means let's spend 100 trillion dollars over the next 40 years to combat "global warming" What a joke!

PS: This is not to denigrate solar power---it is a good thing and there are plenty of reasons to utilize it. However "global warming" is NOT one of them

I am a scientist and I agree with you completely. Solar is fine. CO2 is not the problem The head of the Academy of science actually resigned over this issue. The sun is in charge. The whole carbon BS is about transferring money from one pocket to another by manipulation of the people

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I do have common sense. It tells me that, if the planet needs to be saved, it needs to be a global initiative. But, all of the organizations you cited have "America" in their name. Our country only represents about 5 percent of the planet's population. So, where do the rest of the countries stand on the issue?

the IPCC, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, is the UN body for assessing the science related to climate change. Since you are skeptical of any organization that has the word "American" in it, perhaps you'll feel more comfortable with the findings of this group.
IPCC — Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

They conclude that anthropogenic sources of greenhouse gasses is a substantial contributing factor to global warming.
Is that international enough for you?(actually, if I read it correctly, they establish that there is a 60% chance of it being a contributing factor. Or maybe a 60% chance of the pessimistic forecasts coming true.

I am editing this post, but not erasing the original sentence which I am amending in red.

[Laker14]

[QUOTE=Win1894;2014753]

Originally Posted by DaleDivine

OK, so let me restate the point for those who have difficulties with hyperbole. To provide any kind of electrical storage capacity to the grid to operate when the sun isn't producing electricity (which is most of the time) would be prohibitively massive and extraordinarily expensive, and therefore unworkable.

Is your point that since we don't have a current workable solution to the problem of man-made greenhouse gasses warming up the planet, that it isn't a problem?

This seems to be a common way to derail the discussion from whether or not it is a problem, to "well your solutions aren't workable".
Those are two different issues.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Tbrazie

I am a scientist and I agree with you completely. Solar is fine. CO2 is not the problem The head of the Academy of science actually resigned over this issue. The sun is in charge. The whole carbon BS is about transferring money from one pocket to another by manipulation of the people

What is your science background?
What science do you choose to believe is unbiased, and accurate, that leads you to the conclusion that worrying about carbon emissions is BS?

[Ben Franklin]

Florida's first solar community is just outside of Fort Myers.

Sustainable City | About Us | Babcock Ranch, Florida

[biker1]

I am not sure who you are referring to. Is it this person, who resigned over questions about her resume?

Embattled head of American Academy of Arts and Sciences resigns after questions about resume

Originally Posted by Tbrazie

I am a scientist and I agree with you completely. Solar is fine. CO2 is not the problem The head of the Academy of science actually resigned over this issue. The sun is in charge. The whole carbon BS is about transferring money from one pocket to another by manipulation of the people

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Wow, didn't realize that only the low class were "real people".

As far as France goes, I thought you were in love with Portugal. That being said, France is the armpit of Europe. Why are the streets of Paris lined with trees?----because German soldiers like marching in the shade. What is the French National Military Salute?----Hands over head with rifle on ground in front of them. And I forgot the French term for "take our country but leave us alone to make our creamy sauces". This is a country that sent their ambassador to the Cameroons to lobby against the US in favor of Iraq. Ever visit Normandy and see the tens of thousands of crosses marking the grave of US servicemen who gave their lives liberating France. This is a country that should be on its knees thanking us ever day for what we did and NEVER EVER stand against us.

Pardon the rant but an uncle and a cousin died on Omaha Beach

PS: They DO have much better wine and restaurants, but their "national healthcare" is a total joke. Argue that if you want, but when was the last time you heard of a head of state or a billionaire flocking to France for medical care instead of NY or Boston????

Your Uncle and Cousin were good patriots, sorry! That was good about the tree-lined Paris Streets. Maybe I can get a job pruning them, but maybe in a smaller town near a nude beach, I hear they are popular. If only I were 20 years younger, maybe I could have gotten a date. Now I only get dates at Publix. (Packaged kind) Better Iraq than Iran. And I believe that the French trade extensively with Iraq.
....Real people, yes only the bottom, common people - ALL the others are gingerbread people!
....I'm going to rock down to Electric Avenue and look for Remulack.....a small town in France!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Tbrazie

I am a scientist and I agree with you completely. Solar is fine. CO2 is not the problem The head of the Academy of science actually resigned over this issue. The sun is in charge. The whole carbon BS is about transferring money from one pocket to another by manipulation of the people

And then there IS the deforestation of the Brazilian rainforest. Of course, THAT has had just a tinny, tiny, little effect on Global Warming. And when I touch my hand on a somewhat dark car that has been in the Florida sun, I just IMAGINE that I get burned. And I also must be imagining that 30 years ago I did not!
>......Imagine there is NO Global Warming
I wonder if you can
no heat stroke to die for?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Laker14

the IPCC, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, is the UN body for assessing the science related to climate change. Since you are skeptical of any organization that has the word "American" in it, perhaps you'll feel more comfortable with the findings of this group.
IPCC — Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

They conclude that anthropogenic sources of greenhouse gasses is a substantial contributing factor to global warming.
Is that international enough for you?

Good enough for Government work (and little old - myself!

[jdulej]

Originally Posted by Neils

Fossils do not lie!!! Cooling and warming cycles are normal and not man made.
Follow the science

I thought every good Christian was taught that all the info you are taught about fossils was the lie. The earth is like 5,000 years old.
Now I'm really confused.

[jimjamuser]

[QUOTE=Laker14;2014896]

Originally Posted by Win1894

Is your point that since we don't have a current workable solution to the problem of man-made greenhouse gasses warming up the planet, that it isn't a problem?

This seems to be a common way to derail the discussion from whether or not it is a problem, to "well your solutions aren't workable".
Those are two different issues.

There are several possible solutions that would be "workable". But, many are NOT really acceptable to a big majority of people including the ones propagandized by big oil and foreign governments that want the US to devolve into "chaos".
.......My personal solution FAV would be to SLOWLY decrease US POPULATION (because being one of 2 big polluters) by advertising and a tax credit method - namely, couples having more than 2 children get taxed heavily. and those couples having 1 or 2 children get BIG, BIG tax credits. No additional charge to the Federal revenue - just pay the credits from the charges to the 3 plus children-families! A win for the planet and a possible win for revenue increases.
......Also, ALL who complain about the National Debt should like the possibility of more revenue to pay off the debt........another win/win. Notice me patting myself on the back! Send me to Congress.....I will REALLY shake things up!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Ben Franklin

Florida's first solar community is just outside of Fort Myers.

Sustainable City | About Us | Babcock Ranch, Florida

so, now all they have to worry about is "Red Tide". and that's NOT washer Tide in a Red box!