[REDCART]

Originally Posted by rhredd1654

Does this apply to the contractors as well, or only to Villagers and guests?

I also was under the impression that "locals" skated on speeding tickets but several local contractors have commented that Sumter County cops don't cut them any slack at all. They're under the impression that they're specifically targeted. Is there any consolation in knowing that our cops are equal opportunity enforcers? The AAA tow truck operator was the last one to tell us that he got a speeding ticket on Buena Vista on the way over.

[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by Loveithere

I still say speed don't kill, stupidity kills. Thousands of jets in the sky at any given moment going the speed of sound (?) and they do not collide.

Speed does not necessarily cause the accident, but speed definitely makes an accident more deadly. Since "stupidity" and "competency" is indisputedly rampant (just a casual observation of drivers in general will bear this out), the enforcement of speed laws can at least make the inevitable accidents less tragic. Too bad laws against stupdidity and incompetency can't be enforced.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

Speed does not necessarily cause the accident, but speed definitely makes an accident more deadly. Since "stupidity" and "competency" is indisputedly rampant (just a casual observation of drivers in general will bear this out), the enforcement of speed laws can at least make the inevitable accidents less tragic. Too bad laws against stupdidity and incompetency can't be enforced.

Please define speed? please give me facts of the type injuries sustained in a golf cart going 19mph and one going 21-25? Cars are awarded on their safety. so is an incomptent a person who doesn't buy the car rated as the safest? The 20mph limit will be difficult many cars idle faster than that. so do we have a red light camera gimmick working here? Many states are outlawing these cameras. If there were laws against incometency and stupidity I am sure the police departments will have their fair share of offenders.

This is such a consolidate community that any action by the place always reverbrates throughout the community. It is getting so crowded here that irrespective of new or old speed limits with bumper to bumper traffic on the roads and golf cart paths people will be lucky to be moving at 15mph.

I'm not against safety and I'm not against speed limits but I wonder how those in authority settle on 20mph?

I will agree that it will help in those situation where I am seeing far too many golf cart drivers in the m iddle or on the wron g side of the cart path. I live here all year and the only time this occurs is when seasonal residents return.

[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Please define speed? please give me facts of the type injuries sustained in a golf cart going 19mph and one going 21-25? Cars are awarded on their safety. so is an incomptent a person who doesn't buy the car rated as the safest? The 20mph limit will be difficult many cars idle faster than that. so do we have a red light camera gimmick working here? Many states are outlawing these cameras. If there were laws against incometency and stupidity I am sure the police departments will have their fair share of offenders.

This is such a consolidate community that any action by the place always reverbrates throughout the community. It is getting so crowded here that irrespective of new or old speed limits with bumper to bumper traffic on the roads and golf cart paths people will be lucky to be moving at 15mph.

I'm not against safety and I'm not against speed limits but I wonder how those in authority settle on 20mph?

I will agree that it will help in those situation where I am seeing far too many golf cart drivers in the m iddle or on the wron g side of the cart path. I live here all year and the only time this occurs is when seasonal residents return.

If by "define speed" you mean define the point where a given speed is too fast, then I assume you must ask this question regarding all rules and regulations (not an unreasonable question, albeit contrarian). We are a society that has chosen to live by laws and in any given instance those laws are to be obeyed until they are changed.

Red light cameras are most often disallowed by spineless local politicians choosing votes and cost savings over law enforcement and safety. How in the hell can anybody say red light cameras are unfair when they only punish those that willingly break a law while endangering lives?

The point here is that it does not matter whether the speed limit is more reasonable at one point or another, or too inconvenient. What matters is that it is the law until "legally changed"; not until "ignored".

We used to tell our kids: "Better Safe Than Sorry".

[Loveithere]

So, in a free society, do people here really want camera's everywhere? Do you realize that someone will get a ticket for running a red light when there are no other cars in sight?

[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by Loveithere

So, in a free society, do people here really want camera's everywhere? Do you realize that someone will get a ticket for running a red light when there are no other cars in sight?

Are you asking, if under our system of laws and standards of behavior, it is OK to ignore the law if, in your opinion, there is no risk?

A free society is a society where people shall have the right to exercise unlimited freedom in their own lives, freedom to live in whatever manner they choose, freedom to pursue their own goals, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal rights of others to do the same. Government's only role is to secure each individual's rights, as Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence

The rub comes in here when your exercise of your rights exposes others to unreasonable restrictions on their individual rights to freedom. I can see where one could judge that unnecessarily risking others lives could be considered a significant infringement upon freedom.

[Loveithere]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

Are you asking, if under our system of laws and standards of behavior, it is OK to ignore the law if, in your opinion, there is no risk?

A free society is a society where people shall have the right to exercise unlimited freedom in their own lives, freedom to live in whatever manner they choose, freedom to pursue their own goals, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal rights of others to do the same. Government's only role is to secure each individual's rights, as Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence

The rub comes in here when your exercise of your rights exposes others to unreasonable restrictions on their individual rights to freedom. I can see where one could judge that unnecessarily risking others lives could be considered a significant infringement upon freedom.

Well, how much did Jefferson know about cameras at intersections? The founding father's were very cautious about big government. That's why they fought the British and established a Constitution to protect citizens from an over-powering and arrogant government. The people run the show...not the government. Video cameras are the equivalent of Big Brother. They are also being outlawed in court cases across America.

[CarGuys]

Why are you here Sir? Well your Honor I would like to turn myself in!

You see I can't sleep well. 45 years ago I did not get caught however I was speeding in my Dad's car. Burning tires and acting like a idiot!

So I would not only like a ticket but can you add some more points surcharges fines and how about a nice 5 year insurance increase please!

I feel so much better now!

Normal people will be just fine, People with attitudes speeding maybe driving a little to drunk and acting with poor judgement day after day after day will pay the price. Right or Wrong?

[sklarson]

Just say "I'm sorry officer, my foot slipped of the brake"

[Tim Ringler]

This is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. No, this is about $$$$$.

[Tim Ringler]

Of course not, Sumter County law inforcement is above the law.

[Tim Ringler]

Very wrong ---- it will be "search for the guilty, and punish the innocent".

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Tim, not sure which specific posts you are referencing.

Bill

[Tom Hannon]

Originally Posted by memason

I suppose the change is to make it safer for cart drivers, but I have this overwhelming feeling that it will just generate income for Sumter county in speeding fines. 20mph is SLOW, SLOW, SLOW. TOO SLOW! I literally have to manually down shift my automatic transmission to stay at 20mph. Try going 10mph around Spanish Springs.

I'll bet you never see a police car going 20mph on any of these streets...

Just my opinion, but slow is not always safer.

I agree with Mike, 200%. Too slow is not safe. I will never get my Mini Cooper out of second gear

[Jim 9922]

Originally Posted by Tim Ringler;***028

This is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. No, this is about $$$$$.

In the Daily Sun today, chief bozo is bragging about "adding" 4 more cops to "enforce" the new law. To my knowledge we haven't run over too many people, carts or little dogs on the side streets in the recent past. Please, I don't need to be 100 % bubble wrapped.
Tell me its not about more money!!