[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by bimmertl

Really, "the Vanderbilts and the Rockefellows (whoever they are) didn't have as much well kept areas to drive in as we do living here"

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I am sure you are right. I will continue to feel happy here. I think I misspelled one of those wealthy people. You have made several points for me.

Rockefeller. Sorry. Them. They can't hold a candle to how wealthy and blessed I feel living here.

[bbbbbb]

Just a comment to ponder on this thread.

Are you aware, there is no such thing as an Accident? In every case a rule or a law or a restriction was violated.

Have you heard that while Texting (See it a lot) a nice lady had an Accident?
No, she did not have an accident, instead, she brought a foolish or unlawful or stupid activity into her car while driving. This is tantamount to asking for major damages or death. bbbbbb

[RickeyD]

Originally Posted by bbbbbb

Just a comment to ponder on this thread.

Are you aware, there is no such thing as an Accident? In every case a rule or a law or a restriction was violated.

Have you heard that while Texting (See it a lot) a nice lady had an Accident?
No, she did not have an accident, instead, she brought a foolish or unlawful or stupid activity into her car while driving. This is tantamount to asking for major damages or death. bbbbbb

Agree. The "accident" word should universally be changed to CRASH.

[biker1]

This is simply not true. Accidents can be caused by a tire blow out, a medical event such as a heart attack, etc. where no law or restriction is violated.

QUOTE=bbbbbb;1266838]Just a comment to ponder on this thread.

Are you aware, there is no such thing as an Accident? In every case a rule or a law or a restriction was violated.

Have you heard that while Texting (See it a lot) a nice lady had an Accident?
No, she did not have an accident, instead, she brought a foolish or unlawful or stupid activity into her car while driving. This is tantamount to asking for major damages or death. bbbbbb[/QUOTE]

[RickeyD]

Originally Posted by biker1

This is simply not true. Accidents can be caused by a tire blow out, a medical event such as a heart attack, etc. where no law or restriction is violated.



QUOTE=bbbbbb;1266838]Just a comment to ponder on this thread.



Are you aware, there is no such thing as an Accident? In every case a rule or a law or a restriction was violated.



Have you heard that while Texting (See it a lot) a nice lady had an Accident?

No, she did not have an accident, instead, she brought a foolish or unlawful or stupid activity into her car while driving. This is tantamount to asking for major damages or death. bbbbbb

[/QUOTE]



So, what percent of so called accidents are caused by blowouts, med emergency etc. I would ponder <2%.

[biker1]

It doesn't matter. I was responding to the statement that all accidents are the result of law or rules violations. That simply is not true.




So, what percent of so called accidents are caused by blowouts, med emergency etc. I would ponder <2%.[/QUOTE]

[RickeyD]

Originally Posted by biker1

It doesn't matter. I was responding to the statement that all accidents are the result of law or rules violations. That simply is not true.













So, what percent of so called accidents are caused by blowouts, med emergency etc. I would ponder <2%.

[/QUOTE]



It does matter. The overwhelming percent of crashes are caused by one or both or many people making a wrong decision.

[biker1]

I am not sure what your point is as the post referred to all cases being the result of a law or rules violation. If you want to rephrase to "most" then that would be correct but "all" is simply not true. Why do you feel the need to defend a statement that simply is not true?



It does matter. The overwhelming percent of crashes are caused by one or both or many people making a wrong decision.[/QUOTE]

[RickeyD]

I'm not defending an absolute statement, I simply feel the word accident should be removed from our lexicon and substituted with crash, which is more accurate, a great majority of the time.

[bbbbbb]

OK sorry about that comment, I should have said that a large majority of accidents, but not all.

Tire blowouts are a thing of the past,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, almost. Because of the increased strength of tires now, steel belts etc. However, a blowout most likely, (not 100% of the time), is because of a nearly worn out tire or a tire that has seen a lot of abuse, like high speed thru chuckholes etc. So again the best protection is to be aware of the condition of your tires. Question, have you seen the folks who bounce off of the curb while parking or turning? Not a accident, it can damage the belts in the tires, and Joe Citizen needed to be aware of his/her errant driving.
Tires will last different amounts of miles, depending on the driver, speed, chuckholes, curbs, road hazards etc. A rule you might follow for a good quality tire, maybe consider 30000 miles as the time to change to new ones, good insurance but then each person needs to do their own design of a "safety net". I change them at 30K and I am a very cautious and not speedy driver. Feel free to do as you wish, these comments are meant to be helpful. Also, if purchasing new tires, do a very good inspection of the tire before it is mounted, the technician needs to willing to show you how to look, for bubbles, seams, weak spots, badly out of balance, there are these and other hazards to look for on a new tire. Someone selling almost new, used tires for a bargain????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NO WAY ON that one. bbbbbb

[Chatbrat]

Most tires do not blow out because of construction, they blow out because of age & dry rot-In Florida Michelin recommends replacing all tires after 6years, regardless of thread depth

Also, when you buy tires be sure to check date of mfg. A new tire could be sitting in a warehouse for several years.

This is especially true for RV's

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by bbbbbb

OK sorry about that comment, I should have said that a large majority of accidents, but not all.

Tire blowouts are a thing of the past,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, almost. Because of the increased strength of tires now, steel belts etc. However, a blowout most likely, (not 100% of the time), is because of a nearly worn out tire or a tire that has seen a lot of abuse, like high speed thru chuckholes etc. So again the best protection is to be aware of the condition of your tires. Question, have you seen the folks who bounce off of the curb while parking or turning? Not a accident, it can damage the belts in the tires, and Joe Citizen needed to be aware of his/her errant driving.
Tires will last different amounts of miles, depending on the driver, speed, chuckholes, curbs, road hazards etc. A rule you might follow for a good quality tire, maybe consider 30000 miles as the time to change to new ones, good insurance but then each person needs to do their own design of a "safety net". I change them at 30K and I am a very cautious and not speedy driver. Feel free to do as you wish, these comments are meant to be helpful. Also, if purchasing new tires, do a very good inspection of the tire before it is mounted, the technician needs to willing to show you how to look, for bubbles, seams, weak spots, badly out of balance, there are these and other hazards to look for on a new tire. Someone selling almost new, used tires for a bargain????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NO WAY ON that one. bbbbbb

bbbbbb: I believe you are overreaching here. An act is either intentional or accidental. for example a homeowner may do some of his own electrical wiring and as a result it leads to a fire. Now unless you can prove fraud ( intent of arson) an insurance company will pay the loss based on an unintentional act. While speeding may be an intentional act unless the driver intends injury or damage its an accident and hence a fortuitous event. Truckers may be lacks in tying down debris on a truck and many a motorist have been injured from debris falling from a truck, again its accidental..and when a tire is torn loose from a moving vehicle and causes injury/property damage despite the fact the mechanic failed to tighten down the lug nuts its an accident.

Speeding by the count of post here is a popular topic. However speed is only one factor among many contributing factors such as weather, blinded by the sun, distractions, unsafe backing, unsafe passing etc etc etc . In fact many an article call distraction the cause of better than 50% of accidents.

to wit: yesterday I was running errands. Stopped at a light facing Avienda Central a guy in a golf cart was making a left from Avienda but preoccupied searching for something in his golf cart and headed straight for me but a beep of the horn woke him up

Next time you are on the Florida Turnpike note which drivers are creating the real hazards. its either the guy who believe he is being extra good by driving 10 miles under the speed limit in the left lane or the nut who believes he is in the Indy 500 and darts back and forth between lanes . In my view anything up to 79 mph keeps traffic flowing and prevents bottle necks

Speeding isn't the main culprit here for accidents and a number of posters have cited other causes on this thread.

Personal Best Regards:

[biker1]

I believe blowouts have become less frequent but I put those is a category of mechanical problems that can cause an accident where no blame can be assigned. Besides medical events, there are a host of other events that cause accidents where no blame can be assigned such as colliding with a deer (fairly common is many parts of the country). The point is some accidents are not the result of any wrong doing.

Originally Posted by bbbbbb

OK sorry about that comment, I should have said that a large majority of accidents, but not all.

Tire blowouts are a thing of the past,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, almost. Because of the increased strength of tires now, steel belts etc. However, a blowout most likely, (not 100% of the time), is because of a nearly worn out tire or a tire that has seen a lot of abuse, like high speed thru chuckholes etc. So again the best protection is to be aware of the condition of your tires. Question, have you seen the folks who bounce off of the curb while parking or turning? Not a accident, it can damage the belts in the tires, and Joe Citizen needed to be aware of his/her errant driving.
Tires will last different amounts of miles, depending on the driver, speed, chuckholes, curbs, road hazards etc. A rule you might follow for a good quality tire, maybe consider 30000 miles as the time to change to new ones, good insurance but then each person needs to do their own design of a "safety net". I change them at 30K and I am a very cautious and not speedy driver. Feel free to do as you wish, these comments are meant to be helpful. Also, if purchasing new tires, do a very good inspection of the tire before it is mounted, the technician needs to willing to show you how to look, for bubbles, seams, weak spots, badly out of balance, there are these and other hazards to look for on a new tire. Someone selling almost new, used tires for a bargain????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, NO WAY ON that one. bbbbbb

[RickeyD]

Originally Posted by biker1

I believe blowouts have become less frequent but I put those is a category of mechanical problems that can cause an accident where no blame can be assigned. Besides medical events, there are a host of other events that cause accidents where no blame can be assigned such as colliding with a deer (fairly common is many parts of the country). The point is some accidents are not the result of any wrong doing.

Deer signs are posted wherever they are a problem. A prudent and safe driver will decrease their speed especially at night so as to avoid hitting a deer or worse swerving into oncoming traffic to avoid hitting it. Many times I leave my home early morning before dawn. Typically I'll do 10 mph below the limit on this 2 lane highway because I've seen many a deer cross my path during that time. A reckless driver won't care and will go 10 or 20 over the limit and hit one. I've seen it. I don't consider that an accident.

[biker1]

Deer signs were not posted where I lived previously and there were a substantial amount of deer. Even in those locations where deer signs exist and speed is reduced, there is still the possibility of a deer collision and that is an accident where blame cannot be assigned. If someone is speeding then blame can be assigned because they are violating the law.

Originally Posted by RickeyD

Deer signs are posted wherever they are a problem. A prudent and safe driver will decrease their speed especially at night so as to avoid hitting a deer or worse swerving into oncoming traffic to avoid hitting it. Many times I leave my home early morning before dawn. Typically I'll do 10 mph below the limit on this 2 lane highway because I've seen many a deer cross my path during that time. A reckless driver won't care and will go 10 or 20 over the limit and hit one. I've seen it. I don't consider that an accident.