[memason]

Anyone know the status of the new Brownwood Paddock Square? Just wondered if construction is ongoing and if there is a completion date in the foreseeable future...

Any news or sources of information ??

[ohiogolf]

Our bike club group rode down to the site yesterday and there was a great deal of earthmoving equipment at work, many survey stakes out and many site preparation workers at work. Not sure what that means for timing of any actual construction but it sure seems busy at the site.

[RVRoadie]

I heard (second hand) that a cyclist was stopped by police on the closed section of Buena Vista. Just given a warning, but the fine is the same as for a car, $160.

[BogeyBoy]

I personally saw a Sumter County Sheriff pull over a car that came down the unopened section. (He had them pulled over at the south end, from the angle of the car it appeared that they were exiting Buena Vista when he caught them.)

I wish they would open it up, might save a little time heading for the Turnpike. The construction update says "Final authorizations for public use are pending."

[LELANDJANE]

How did this thread go from Brownwood to traffic tickets?

[BogeyBoy]

Originally Posted by LELANDJANE

How did this thread go from Brownwood to traffic tickets?

I think the intent was to warn others who wish to see the progress of Brownwood to avoid going down the new section of Buena Vista.

It's been a few weeks since I was down there but Brownwood is still dirt - but they are moving the dirt around.

[NJblue]

Does anyone know or care to speculate about which comes first: the development of Brownwood or the housing that will surround it? Because of its location in the extreme southwest corner of TV, it would seem to be a problem either way. If they build the townsquare first then there will be no residents in the immediate area and the merchants will suffer. However, if they first build the housing in the immediate area, then they might have a hard time to sell the houses since it will be a long ride for the residents to get to Sumter Landing for any townsquare activity.

My speculation is that they will start to build houses just south of 466A by Buena Vista concurrent with the start of Brownwood construction. Then, after Brownwood is completed they will fill in with houses closer to it. That way the initial residents south of 466A will still be reasonably close to Sumter until "their" townsquare opens. If this is correct, then the start of Brownwood will not be until after all of the area north of 466A is completed.

Because of this chicken/egg scenario, I still can't figure out why they decided to place Brownwood where they did. It would seem to be much better to put it in a more central location - perhaps between Morse and Buena Vista just south of 466A. The only thing I can think of is that they want to appeal to residents outside of TV more. Or, there may have been pressure from the county to place it in an area that is more accesible to county residents.

[Army Guy]

NJblue, I read here on the board awhile ago that it was going to be different then the other two squares. Oriented more towards the public and have an actual shopping mall attached to it. So wanted at that major road junction.

Army Guy

[billethkid]

development of the area surrounding it. So I would expect the new town center to be completed sometime after homes begin to be built and long before the area south of the beginning is close to being done.

It is a key marketing element and will be available as soon as the economics and construction will allow.

TV is more a build it and they will come developer VS the usual....after you come some day we will build it developer.

btk

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by Army Guy

NJblue, I read here on the board awhile ago that it was going to be different then the other two squares. Oriented more towards the public and have an actual shopping mall attached to it. So wanted at that major road junction.

Army Guy

Army Guy, I suspect you are right. I wonder how the TV residents in the area will respond to that. I feel that many like the "bubble" atmosphere in TV and if you are correct, then the bubble will be a little less pronounced.

[Army Guy]

Billy, so true. If you watch close in the TV video, when they do the zoom in over the actual Lake Sumtner before the radio station roof, look beyond the Square Buildings and there is nothing but sand!

Army Guy

[Army Guy]

Originally Posted by NJblue

Army Guy, I suspect you are right. I wonder how the TV residents in the area will respond to that. I feel that many like the "bubble" atmosphere in TV and if you are correct, then the bubble will be a little less pronounced.

NJ, I agree totally. I would not like it a little bit. I also saw on here or read somewhere that there would be no nightly entainment there either.

Army Guy

[BogeyBoy]

Originally Posted by NJblue

Does anyone know or care to speculate about which comes first: the development of Brownwood or the housing that will surround it? Because of its location in the extreme southwest corner of TV, it would seem to be a problem either way. If they build the townsquare first then there will be no residents in the immediate area and the merchants will suffer. However, if they first build the housing in the immediate area, then they might have a hard time to sell the houses since it will be a long ride for the residents to get to Sumter Landing for any townsquare activity.

My speculation is that they will start to build houses just south of 466A by Buena Vista concurrent with the start of Brownwood construction. Then, after Brownwood is completed they will fill in with houses closer to it. That way the initial residents south of 466A will still be reasonably close to Sumter until "their" townsquare opens. If this is correct, then the start of Brownwood will not be until after all of the area north of 466A is completed.

Because of this chicken/egg scenario, I still can't figure out why they decided to place Brownwood where they did. It would seem to be much better to put it in a more central location - perhaps between Morse and Buena Vista just south of 466A. The only thing I can think of is that they want to appeal to residents outside of TV more. Or, there may have been pressure from the county to place it in an area that is more accesible to county residents.

Who knows where TV will really end. Keep in mind, they own property down by the turnpike where the new on/off ramps will be built in the future. There were developers that were going to build south of 44, I don't think that ever happened, perhaps TV will buy up that land and keep heading south until they get to the Everglades! Keep an eye on these names and see what happens to their property south of 44: Quest; GM1 Partnership; D & S Development; Wildwood Villages; Baily Brothers, Inc.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by BogeyBoy

Who knows where TV will really end. Keep in mind, they own property down by the turnpike where the new on/off ramps will be built in the future.

Yes, I have wondered the same thing. The cynic in me says that the turnpike ramp is what we in the software business used to call vaporware - something that will never happen but sounds good as a marketing ploy. As I understand it the developer is funding this out of his own pocket. The only way this makes sense from a business perspective is if he will be able to sell houses for more money or at a faster rate if it is there. The longer that it goes undeveloped, the fewer houses that will be left from which he would be able to recoup his expenses - unless of course he subsequently expands the footprint of TV to allow the exchange to be a selling point for more houses.

[Army Guy]

As I have said on this board before, "When TV hits the Turnpike, I want to see the size of the Golf Cart tunnel under it!"

Army Guy