[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Mortal1

I'll do what I feel is correct and if you don't agree you'll still never know if the person beside you has the vaccine or not. If you don't wipe down every package, letter and contents you can still get the virus...same for your fruit and grocery packaging. And while there might be a few that go to these extremes they are by no means a majority. Good luck.

I'll depend on the facts they can actually prove(and not a ballpark guess). Being a sheep is easy. Being independent and smart takes a bit more work.

Being dead is easy also. Most prefer to do whatever they have to not to go there..ie: shot, mask, and distance.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

I agree with you, but you have to START somewhere. I have seen movies and pictures of Polio and the dreadful life those patients lived until the Polio vaccine was discovered, someone had to be the first!

Polio is a bad example. Polio effected the young and old & the healthy and sick indiscriminately. Covid impacts primarily overweight people in poor health. Those in high risk categories should opt to be vaccinated. If you’re not in a high risk category, why risk taking a vaccine, with a new technology, that has had NO long term studies?

[MDLNB]

According to the FL Covid dashboard site, the following ages have been vaccinated in FL:

50-59 =69%
60-64 = 78%
65+ = 85%

I don't pretend to know how many have survived Covid in FL and do not need to be vaccinated at this time, but seems to me that some of the Chicken Littles on here need to relax. Once they open vaccinations for children under 12yo then the percentage will climb significantly. CHILL!!

[Viperguy]

FYI

Florida coronavirus cases and deaths | USAFacts

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

Being dead is easy also. Most prefer to do whatever they have to not to go there..ie: shot, mask, and distance.

You are totally correct. Some folks won't enter water for fear of drowning, drive a motorcycle for fear of having an accident, won't para sail, rock climb, etc. I have a friend that won't visit Florida because his wife is scared of 'gators. All these things that kill people and yet we are still over populated. Whodafigured?

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Viperguy

FYI

Florida coronavirus cases and deaths | USAFacts

How many died of SNAKE BITES, viper guy?

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

WHY? Because it is OUR country and it was those that came from elsewhere that brought and still bring the virus into our country. If the virus did not originate here then it came from outside. That's why.

And there are lots of reasons for someone not to get vaccinated. They may not meet with your approval but they have the right to their opinion and reason. It's funny how SOME wish to treat illegal aliens better than their own countrymen.

You really don't get it...

[jbartle1]

Originally Posted by Swoop

I have repeatedly said that if I were in the high risk group, I would opt to be vaccinated. The reward would outweigh the risk. However, given the lack of any historical data on the long term effects of mRNA vaccines, and based on my age and health, I choose not to be vaccinated. And I find the idea of vaccinating children 0-12, who are in no real danger from the virus, to be utterly disgusting, given that no one knows what the long term effects will be.

I don't pretend to know more than the CDC or FDA.

[Lisanp@aol.com]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Israel Health Ministry

Their Delta wave began in May/June and is now going down.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.

Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at John Hopkins School of Medicine, during an appearance on The Vince Coglianese Show, said individuals formerly infected with COVID-19 are seven times more likely then vaccinated people to fight off the virus.

“It appears that natural immunity is better against the Delta variant. When you get infected with COVID, your body’s immune system develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus,” Makary said. “Not just the slight protein that the vaccines gives you, but the entire surface. And so you get a more diverse antibody portfolio in your system.”

Dr. Makary Says Natural Immunity Is More Effective Then Vaccine Immunity

What peer reviewed journal was this study published in? In answer is none because it would never be accepted for publication in a peer reviewed journal as the premise is flawed.

"More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases."

With the population of Israel being 8,803,609 people and with 66% of the population being vaccinated, that is about 5,810,382 people. "With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus" that is about 9% of the population. So what is this article is saying? 72 cases in 9% of the population previously infected is better than 7628 cases in 8,803,609 people? They are comparing apples to oranges and the data is flawed.

BTW, 3,500 new cases per day are being reported in Israel so "More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May" is just false data. 7700 new cases is about three days - not since May.

I'm going outside now, but you do you and keep reading nonsense on the internet.

[MDLNB]

No COVID related deaths reported on Aug 9th. Positive is a negative thing on here, right?

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Lisanp@aol.com

I prefer to develop conclusions based on my own research from reputable scientific journals, not prime time news hosts.

Reduced sensitivity of SARS-CoV-2 variant Delta to antibody neutralization | Nature

Yes, natural immunity did appear to be effective against early mutations of the virus - Alpha and Beta, but natural immunity is absolutely not effective against Delta. What source tells you that you are protected from Delta through natural immunity?

So, what source tells you that natural immunity is ineffective against Delta?!?

[MDLNB]

Spalumbos62
You really don't get it...


Or more to the point, maybe I DO get it. Bailing a boat out is only going to be successful IF you stop the leak (or in this case the source).

[ChicagoNative]

From CDC:

mRNA Vaccines Are New, But Not Unknown
Researchers have been studying and working with mRNA vaccines for decades. Interest has grown in these vaccines because they can be developed in a laboratory using readily available materials. This means the process can be standardized and scaled up, making vaccine development faster than traditional methods of making vaccines.

mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine.

Future mRNA vaccine technology may allow for one vaccine to provide protection for multiple diseases, thus decreasing the number of shots needed for protection against common vaccine-preventable diseases.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Lisanp@aol.com

What peer reviewed journal was this study published in? In answer is none because it would never be accepted for publication in a peer reviewed journal as the premise is flawed.

BTW, 3,500 new cases per day are being reported in Israel so "More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May" is just false data. 7700 new cases is about three days - not since May.

I'm going outside now, but you do you and keep reading nonsense on the internet.

I didn't tell you it was a "study" It's simply data reported by the Israel Heath Ministry. This info has been published by many including WAPO and NYT. The article does not give the dates that they used, but from May 1 till July 15 Israel had a total of about 7000 cases, when the Delta wave started ramping up. Do you think the Israel Health Ministry is lying???

See my other thread about Mayo Clinic study on Delta resistance to vaccines.

Mayo Clinic: Vaccine effectiveness against Delta dropping

[Ben Franklin]

Originally Posted by ChicagoNative

From CDC:

mRNA Vaccines Are New, But Not Unknown
Researchers have been studying and working with mRNA vaccines for decades. Interest has grown in these vaccines because they can be developed in a laboratory using readily available materials. This means the process can be standardized and scaled up, making vaccine development faster than traditional methods of making vaccines.

mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine.

Future mRNA vaccine technology may allow for one vaccine to provide protection for multiple diseases, thus decreasing the number of shots needed for protection against common vaccine-preventable diseases.

I posted this video last week under Medical Talk, if anyone is interested in mRNA. As for long term studies, it would take 5 years to get the results.

Also, when 150 million people in the US are still unvaccinated, you can't blame the spread of the Delta variant solely on those crossing the southern border. Btw, every person from Canada to the southern tip of South America are Americans, a small detail, that is often overlooked.

Kathryn A. Whitehead: The tiny balls of fat that could revolutionize medicine | TED Talk