[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Is this a quote from Xxx?

So it doesn’t make NOT TRUE…..read the real science
When you peeps believe Big Pharm I will never understand
You see them back pedaling after millions so call break out cases

Living life is easy with your eyes closed

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by nick demis

Should people get vaccinated? In my opinion, yes. Should business and the government mandate it and threaten to fire you or worse? Absolutely NO, This is NOT Russia, China, Cuba or Iran, THIS IS THE USA.

where you can't go to elementary school without MANDATED vaccines.

thank you to the OP who gave some eye opening facts. I looked up hospital capacity and found this:
COVID-19 Hospital Capacity of UF HEALTH THE VILLAGES HOSPITAL in THE VILLAGES, FL): Data indicates the hospital's bed occupancy, but do not represent local hospitals surge plans to accommodate more patients. | rgj.com

July 30, 2021 256.0 104.5% 230.0 of 220.0 beds used 91.6% 29.3 of 32.0 beds used
as of July 30 this is the The Villages Hospital

so everyone should hope they don't need a hospital bed for anything.....but yeah, it's those people on the southern border that's the problem....

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by blueash

Please stop posting ..edited.. on this website. While it is your "right' to do so, you are showing your ignorance when you think you are showing your brilliance. Funny how you just post stuff but never have any links to explain what "real science" is giving you this special wisdom. If you think is it so clever to quibble about the definition of a vaccine, maybe you'd care to explain what disease ever was named "Small Pox"?? I've heard of smallpox, but I've never read anything about Small Pox. Normally I'd certainly let that kind of error pass, but you deserve special scrutiny and derision.


Wrong. It is a vaccine. Who says it's a vaccine. Well, the CDC Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines, the Mayo Clinic COVID-19 vaccines: Get the facts, Johns Hopkins COVID-19 Vaccines: Myth Versus Fact and every responsible medical institution and authority. But you know better.



Ignorance again. It induces immunity to the spike protein which is a critical structure on the surface of the virion by having your body produce spike proteins so that when the real intact virus invades you, your immune system is primed and recognizes the spike protein as a foreign antigen to be attacked. You do NOT produce Covid virus itself from the vaccination, oh, sorry, from the "shot"

DIFFERENT DEFINITION:

First, although the whole world is calling it a vaccine, it’s not because it doesn’t do what all vaccines do. I looked up the definition of vaccines in five medical dictionaries and found all five were the same, but completely different from the COVID-19 solution, as shown below:

Online Medical Dictionary

Vaccine: “Suspensions of killed or attenuated microorganisms (bacteria, viruses, fungi, protozoa), antigenic proteins, synthetic constructs, or other bio-molecular derivatives, administered for the prevention, amelioration, or treatment of infectious and other diseases.”

Taber’s Online Medical Dictionary

Vaccine: “Any suspension containing antigenic molecules derived from a microorganism, given to stimulate an immune response to an infectious disease. Vaccines may be made from weakened or killed microorganisms; inactivated toxins; toxoids derived from microorganisms; or immunologically active surface markers extracted or copied from microorganisms. They can be given intramuscularly, subcutaneously, intradermally, orally, or intranasally; as single agents; or in combinations.”

Medicinenet Medical Dictionary

Vaccine: “Microbial preparations of killed or modified microorganisms that can stimulate an immune response in the body to prevent future infection with similar microorganisms. These preparations are usually delivered by injection.”

Harvard Medical School Harvard Health Publishing

Vaccination: “A method of protecting the body against disease by injecting parts or all of a microorganism that will cause the body to develop antibodies against the microorganism and later fight off disease.”

The Free Medical Dictionary by Farlex

Vaccine: “a suspension of attenuated or killed microorganisms (viruses, bacteria, or rickettsiae), administered for prevention, amelioration, or treatment of infectious diseases.”

In every definition I found, vaccines inject parts or all of a microorganism, such as viruses and bacteria, into our body to stimulate our development of antibodies to fight the microorganism and build up our immune system, but COVID-19 injections don’t work that way. Instead of injecting microorganisms, they inject genetic material, a strand of synthesized messenger RNA, called mRNA, that gives instructions to the cells of our body to produce the antigenic substances, such as viral protein snippets or fragments, to cause our body to develop antibodies to fight against those same substances that our body created. (Source: mayo.edu)

Since the COVID-19 solution doesn’t fit the definition of a vaccine, calling it that is misleading and dangerous because it makes it sound like a known thing and a safe thing since vaccines have been around for a long time, but it’s actually an unknown thing that’s making unprecedented changes to our God-given genetic code, literally rewriting our genetic code and nothing like it has ever been done before. In the interest of public health safety, it should be called what it really is, which is mRNA gene modification, but that would surely raise concerns and decrease the number of people willing to take it because the risk would be visible for everyone to see, but at least then everyone could make an informed decision as to whether or not they want to be human guinea pigs.

Misnaming it as a vaccine is a big win for Big Pharma corporations hoping to sell more of their products, but thousands of the world’s top medical doctors and scientists, including virologists, immunologists, pharmacologists and microbiologists, such as the ten listed below, are warning that it’s a big risk to the rest of us because inserting manipulated mRNA code into our cells will replicate the new instructions into every cell of our body so that when we later encounter a new virus, instead of fighting it in just one part of our body like we would normally do, such as an upper respiratory virus, all parts of our body will start producing antigenic substances at the same time, thereby causing our immune system to be overwhelmed and continue being overwhelmed until all our strength is depleted, ultimately causing death.

Is this better

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by merrymini

The gov does not tell you not to wear a mask. Do so if you want. Who is stopping you.
There is a lot of evidence that this virus is air borne not droplet borne which makes the masks useless.
The vaccine, so called, which it is not, is not the safest ever developed. It was rushed and has not been fully vetted. People who are vaccinated are spreading the virus just like people who are not vaccinated.
You are buying a lot of lies.
Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin are highly effective but are not used because of “politics.”
Do not baaaaa too loud as you are herded into the pen.

So you want people to use hydroxychloroquine (that's already been tested and found lacking---Florida has about a million doses it doesn't know what to do with) and a heartworm medicine instead of a scientifically tested vaccine that has now been used in multiple millions of people? As a pharmacist I was always amazed at patients who didn't want to take proven, fda approved medications, but willingly took multiple unregulated herbal supplements.

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by Accidental1

Who exactly is buying the lies?

I'd prefer to believe the experts (doctors and scientists) that have spent many years learning their specialties. Not the politicians or talking heads on cable news/entertainment/opinion shows and the internet that exist only to keep sheep watching and clicking so they can get advertising revenue.

And who exactly are the sheep being led?

Exactly!

I just don’t get it.

This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Now they are dancing in their joyous frenzy about breakthroughs — that they started.

I have two close friends who cannot convince some of their adult kids to get the vaccine, not even to protect their own children and the grandparents.

(Hey, maybe people who have adult children who are risking their families in the name of what looks a lot like a cult mentality should start changing their wills and trusts to require proof of vaccination from heirs.

Or — as a first step — a warning shot — at least, if a few of those advertising lawyers ran ads it might help. . . “Is your adult child refusing to get the vaccine? What! Are they trying to kill you? Is your unvaccinated adult kid neglecting the health of your grandchildren by refusing to do what they can to protect them from the virus? What! Could their refusal to vaccinate lead to a form of negligent homicide for you and your beloved. Well, make an appointment now before it’s too late!)

What is it in their psychological make-up that has made these people so susceptible to being manipulated by their screens of choice. They are being had.

The part of all this divide that I absolutely cannot comprehend is why are those people refusing to protect their own families by doing the best they can, by weighing Risk vs. Benefit, and drawing logical conclusions. The vaccine is the best we’ve got. We sure don’t have each other.

Hmmm, maybe there is one of those tiny, little computer things that has been hidden deep inside their “My Pillow” to play barely audible, subliminal, paranoia-inducing messages while they sleep.

Boomer — who can be prone to hyperbole to make a point — but is it?



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[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Exactly!

I just don’t get it.

This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Now they are dancing in their joyous frenzy about breakthroughs — that they started.

I have two close friends who cannot convince some of their adult kids to get the vaccine, not even to protect their own children and the grandparents.

(Hey, maybe people who have adult children who are risking their families in the name of what looks a lot like a cult mentality should start changing their wills and trusts to require proof of vaccination from heirs.

Or — as a first step — a warning shot — at least, if a few of those advertising lawyers ran ads it might help. . . “Is your adult child refusing to get the vaccine? What! Are they trying to kill you? Is your unvaccinated adult kid neglecting the health of your grandchildren by refusing to do what they can to protect them from the virus? What! Could their refusal to vaccinate lead to a form of negligent homicide for you and your beloved. Well, make an appointment now before it’s too late!)

What is it in their psychological make-up that has made these people so susceptible to being manipulated by their screens of choice. They are being had.

The part of all this divide that I absolutely cannot comprehend is why are those people refusing to protect their own families by doing the best they can, by weighing Risk vs. Benefit, and drawing logical conclusions. The vaccine is the best we’ve got. We sure don’t have each other.

Hmmm, maybe there is one of those tiny, little computer things that has been hidden deep inside their “My Pillow” to play barely audible, subliminal, paranoia-inducing messages while they sleep.

Boomer — who can be prone to hyperbole to make a point — but is it?



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I am convinced that this is an anti United States Government movement more than an anti vaccine movement.

Originally Posted by Boomer

Exactly!

I just don’t get it.

This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Now they are dancing in their joyous frenzy about breakthroughs — that they started.

I have two close friends who cannot convince some of their adult kids to get the vaccine, not even to protect their own children and the grandparents.

(Hey, maybe people who have adult children who are risking their families in the name of what looks a lot like a cult mentality should start changing their wills and trusts to require proof of vaccination from heirs.

Or — as a first step — a warning shot — at least, if a few of those advertising lawyers ran ads it might help. . . “Is your adult child refusing to get the vaccine? What! Are they trying to kill you? Is your unvaccinated adult kid neglecting the health of your grandchildren by refusing to do what they can to protect them from the virus? What! Could their refusal to vaccinate lead to a form of negligent homicide for you and your beloved. Well, make an appointment now before it’s too late!)

What is it in their psychological make-up that has made these people so susceptible to being manipulated by their screens of choice. They are being had.

The part of all this divide that I absolutely cannot comprehend is why are those people refusing to protect their own families by doing the best they can, by weighing Risk vs. Benefit, and drawing logical conclusions. The vaccine is the best we’ve got. We sure don’t have each other.

Hmmm, maybe there is one of those tiny, little computer things that has been hidden deep inside their “My Pillow” to play barely audible, subliminal, paranoia-inducing messages while they sleep.

Boomer — who can be prone to hyperbole to make a point — but is it?



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Usually when a sports team is failing to perform, the team owners fire the manager not the players.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Exactly!

I just don’t get it.

This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Now they are dancing in their joyous frenzy about breakthroughs — that they started.

I think you are confused. You don't know how many of the new cases are of fully vaccinated people because the CDC is not posting those numbers. Israel, UK etc are reporting large percentages of new cases among the fully vaccinated. They may not get very sick and die but they are carriers that spread the disease.

The Delta variant developed in India before vaccines were available, so trying to blame that on vaccine hesitant Americans is ludicrous.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

I think you are confused. You don't know how many of the new cases are of fully vaccinated people because the CDC is not posting those numbers. Israel, UK etc are reporting large percentages of new cases among the fully vaccinated. They may not get very sick and die but they are carriers that spread the disease.

The Delta variant developed in India before vaccines were available, so trying to blame that on vaccine hesitant Americans is ludicrous.

CDC is not posting those numbers because the numbers aren't reliable. They would know the number of positive test results but not how many infections might go untested and therefore unreported. Rather than subject themselves to criticism that they under-reported the numbers, they chose to go with the more meaningful and more accurate count of hospitalizations and deaths.

Vaccinated people can test positive in rare cases, that's a fact. It is speculation that vaccinated people can infect others.

No one is saying the US unvaccinated people created Delta and it's ridiculous to imply that. It is the spread of delta in the US and filing the hospitals in the US that is the problem and the unvaccinated are the cause of that.

The problem with covid was never the number of positive tests, the problem with covid was the number of patients in the hospital, ER, and ICU and the number of deaths. At last count, all but 8,500 of these were unvaccinated. There is nothing the vaccinated can do to keep unvaccinated out of the hospital. On the other hand, it has been proven over and over that the vaccine can prevent serious illness, hospitalization, and death.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

CDC is not posting those numbers because the numbers aren't reliable. They would know the number of positive test results but not how many infections might go untested and therefore unreported. Rather than subject themselves to criticism that they under-reported the numbers, they chose to go with the more meaningful and more accurate count of hospitalizations and deaths.

Vaccinated people can test positive in rare cases, that's a fact. It is speculation that vaccinated people can infect others.

No one is saying the US unvaccinated people created Delta and it's ridiculous to imply that. It is the spread of delta in the US and filing the hospitals in the US that is the problem and the unvaccinated are the cause of that.

The problem with covid was never the number of positive tests, the problem with covid was the number of patients in the hospital, ER, and ICU and the number of deaths. At last count, all but 8,500 of these were unvaccinated. There is nothing the vaccinated can do to keep unvaccinated out of the hospital. On the other hand, it has been proven over and over that the vaccine can prevent serious illness, hospitalization, and death.

CDC : Laughable spin. The CDC is posting daily CASE numbers on their website. They just don't state what percentage of cases are among the vaccinated.

CDC COVID Data Tracker

Vaccinated people can test positive in rare cases, that's a fact. It is speculation that vaccinated people can infect others

Totally inaccurate: Israel reported 7700 new cases (May to mid July) and 40% were fully vaccinated. Just the other day, Duke and UNC reported clusters of student infections, 100% vaccinated. See my threads on this with links.

I guess you are calling the CDC speculators?


Vaccinated People With Breakthrough Infections Can Spread The Delta Variant, CDC Says

CDC: Data Shows Vaccinated People Can Spread The Delta Variant : Coronavirus Updates : NPR

Think hard now, why would CDC reverse course and recommend facemasks for VACCINATED people indoors when previously they did not?

No one is saying the US unvaccinated people created Delta and it's ridiculous to imply that.

The person I was quoting sure did.

This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Now they are dancing in their joyous frenzy about breakthroughs — that they started

[Ajiveson]

Originally Posted by Lovey2

Glad it wasn't that bad for you. Unfortunately, it was very bad for those that died...and their families.

I know 3 people who have died (no pre-existing conditions) and one person in ICU for 4 months who now has long COVID. Good that yours was mild, not all cases are, as per the total deaths so far.

[Altavia]

When the pandemic started, the government was covering out of pocket hospitalization expenses for patients if your insurance fell short. Now they are scaling back and many insurance companies are reinstating their deductibles.

If you're uninsured you may end up with the bill. Since an option is there to minimize hospitalization, there's no longer a reason to supplement those patients by the government.

Some insurances are considering collecting extra charges for the unvaccinated to cover their higher costs of care if they're hospitalized for Covid. Similar to additional fees for smoker's.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Get vaccinated wear kn95 mask. Get booster. It’s simple. I’m sitting in the hospital on my 11th day recovering from Covid. The vaccine saved my life. I wish I had the brains to wear a protective mask.
Do what you want but believe me you don’t want to end up like me.
I’ll still have weeks of rehab and recovery once I get home and could have permanent lung damage.
But you do whatever you want.

[Gpsma]

I ordered lots of plastic wrap from Amazon. I wrap myself up before going out.

Im fully vacinnates but im so afraid of all these people wearing masks again.

They are the sick ones obviously..maybe in more ways than ome

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Get vaccinated wear kn95 mask. Get booster. It’s simple. I’m sitting in the hospital on my 11th day recovering from Covid. The vaccine saved my life. I wish I had the brains to wear a protective mask.
Do what you want but believe me you don’t want to end up like me.
I’ll still have weeks of rehab and recovery once I get home and could have permanent lung damage.
But you do whatever you want.

So sorry to hear this. 11 days in the hospital and you were fully vaccinated. Very scary and glad you are feeling better.

I'm curious, but don't answer if it makes you uncomfortable.

What vaccine did you get? I know you are not obese because I met you once at Beatlemaniacs a few years ago. Did your Doctors figure out where and how you were infected and why your illness was so severe?

Stay healthy and recover well.