[chacam]

Originally Posted by golfergal

street legal golf carts have two speeds, one which goes up to 25-26 MPH (not 30-35 as i've seen some posts report) for street use. the other speed is like any other golf cart, 19-20 MPH. why would you deny a street legal cart, properly traveling at 17-20 MPH, from cart paths? i have been passed at 19 MPH by many carts (mostly gas, which cannot be street legal) where the owner has obviously disabled the governor. the carts that i see speeding along the paths are generally NOT street legal. any cart, street legal or not, where the governor is not allowed to do its job seems to be the real issue here.

IMO, if it is a registered vehicle, it doesn't belong on cart paths !

[golfergal]

I don't get your beef. If LSVs are following the rules of the cart path, what's your issue?

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by golfergal

I don't get your beef. If LSVs are following the rules of the cart path, what's your issue?

Excessive speed while passing walkers , other carts and cyclist.

[golfergal]

Originally Posted by Challenger

Excessive speed while passing walkers , other carts and cyclist.

Why is traveling along the cart paths as other carts do wrong if you're in an LSV? I slow down or stop for cyclists and walkers. It seems the issue of speed and recklessness pertains to any vehicle, but somehow LSVs are singled out as the bad guys.

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by Challenger

Excessive speed while passing walkers , other carts and cyclist.

We get passed all the time by "regular" golf carts on the paths and nearly every one that passes us is electric, not gas. Many of the street legals (I said many, not all) do not and I suspect that is because the owners are aware of the difference in size. Besides, why would they incur the expense involved with them just to be reckless on or off the paths?

Should these people not be allowed on the courses, either? If that's ok, then how would they get there in the first place since at some point it would require travel on a multimodal path?

Just asking.

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by dillywho

We get passed all the time by "regular" golf carts on the paths and nearly every one that passes us is electric, not gas. Many of the street legals (I said many, not all) do not and I suspect that is because the owners are aware of the difference in size. Besides, why would they incur the expense involved with them just to be reckless on or off the paths?

Should these people not be allowed on the courses, either? If that's ok, then how would they get there in the first place since at some point it would require travel on a multimodal path?

Just asking.

Valid points-- Maybe our posts will spark some civilized debate. Would like to hear other civil opinions on the issues

[army one]

I agree with you Talk Host. Registered vehicles don't belong on the multimodal paths. Included in this group are the mopeds. When the licensed vehicles are on the multimodal paths they for the most part are going over 20 mph and are a cause for concern by everyone else that uses the paths. I have also seen many instances when the cart path is next to a roadway the street legal carts and mopeds weave on the roadway to pass a legal cart on the cart path and then back on the cart path causing all kinds of hazards. I think a lot of the problems are caused because common sense isn't so common anymore.

[Redtail]

Originally Posted by golfergal

Why is traveling along the cart paths as other carts do wrong if you're in an LSV? I slow down or stop for cyclists and walkers. It seems the issue of speed and recklessness pertains to any vehicle, but somehow LSVs are singled out as the bad guys.

these whiners are people who own golf carts and wish they owned a lsv.

[GeorgeT]

[golfergal]

Hadn't thought of that!!
This is my first time blogging, and I'm just surprised that so many blame the vehicle, not individual behavior as the cause of the problem.

[redwitch]

I'll happily share the multi-modal paths with anyone almost anyone. I do think that if an LSV is going to be on the path, it should be required to follow the speed laws for golf carts, not LSVs. So, if on the path in an LSV, I go about 20 mph, never faster. As a matter of fact, I think LSVs should use the paths -- much safer than doing 25 in a 35 mph zone. I've driven my scooter on the paths many times, but not when there's a lot of traffic using the paths. I keep it at 20 mph when I drive there. Some scooters are pushing it to do 30 mph, so they're really not going that much faster than the majority in the paths (and it certainly isn't difficult to keep a scooter at 20).

[Redtail]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I'll happily share the multi-modal paths with anyone almost anyone. I do think that if an LSV is going to be on the path, it should be required to follow the speed laws for golf carts, not LSVs. So, if on the path in an LSV, I go about 20 mph, never faster. As a matter of fact, I think LSVs should use the paths -- much safer than doing 25 in a 35 mph zone. I've driven my scooter on the paths many times, but not when there's a lot of traffic using the paths. I keep it at 20 mph when I drive there. Some scooters are pushing it to do 30 mph, so they're really not going that much faster than the majority in the paths (and it certainly isn't difficult to keep a scooter at 20).

since lsv's have a speedometer i think you will find that most obey the limits. also these complainers really dont know a lsv from a golf cart in many instances. they just assume its a lsv because they are speeding.

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by golfergal

Hadn't thought of that!!
This is my first time blogging, and I'm just surprised that so many blame the vehicle, not individual behavior as the cause of the problem.

Obviously the kind of response that I was referring to when I mentioned civility.

[BBQMan]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I'll happily share the multi-modal paths with anyone almost anyone. I do think that if an LSV is going to be on the path, it should be required to follow the speed laws for golf carts, not LSVs. So, if on the path in an LSV, I go about 20 mph, never faster. As a matter of fact, I think LSVs should use the paths -- much safer than doing 25 in a 35 mph zone. I've driven my scooter on the paths many times, but not when there's a lot of traffic using the paths. I keep it at 20 mph when I drive there. Some scooters are pushing it to do 30 mph, so they're really not going that much faster than the majority in the paths (and it certainly isn't difficult to keep a scooter at 20).

I could not agree more. I have an LSV and NEVER drive on roads such as Buena Vista and El Camino Real. Driving a vehicle with a top speed of 25mph on these roads poses a hazard not only to the driver of the LSV but also to normal automobile traffic. I do understand why some people are concerned about the extra wide LSV's but can find no reason for concern with those that have the same length and width as any normal golf cart.

Do I occasionally pass a golf cart on the paths? Yes. However I am more frequently the one being passed rather than the one doing the passing. There are carts doing 30 to 35 mph on the paths, but these are not LSV's. They are normally gas powered golf carts.

[Mikeod]

I was going to start a thread on this subject because I encountered a situation that raised the question in my mind whether LSVs should use the cart lane when on streets such as Bailey Trail where there are only two lanes plus the cart lanes. I encountered a traffic snarl where a person on an LSV was driving in the roadway at about 20 mph with an empty cart lane beside it. There were about a dozen cars backed up behind it. To me, it would reduce the chance for road rage type problems for the cart to use the cart lane where available and would allow motor vehicles to travel at closer to the limit so traffic would move more efficiently. As with any cart, they could merge when approaching a turn.