[livsea2]

Originally Posted by Talk Host

Wouldn't that put the "pushers" into the position of being guiltily of malicious mischief, (messing with somebody's private property?)

When I was a deputy in Mahoning County, Ohio, two cars were drag racing on a newly completed, as of yet, unopened stretch of interstate highway. There was an accident and both cars rolled over. I issued a bunch of citations to both drivers. The judge threw every one of them out because it was not yet a public road.

JLK

I would have to question this judge. Almost every day in my area the state police issue citations in the Walmart parking lot, the local shopping center parking lot, etc. They are not public roads, they are privately owned parking lots. According to this judge a cop couldn't issue a citation for parking in a handicap spot with out a placard in a privately owned lot. Nonsense.

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo

skyguy - If FL runs their show like OH does, a quick call to law enforcement will result in immediate action. You're right - how can they hope to enforce a ticket that's written to an essentially unregistered vehicle? But I'd guess the officer might be willing to wait a bit for the cart's owner to arrive and go from there. Otherwise, have the cart towed and apply the ticket to the tow bill. Just idle thinking - don't know how enforceable that would be either!!

Easiest way to make the point would be get some help to push the cart to another parking spot. That might help make the point to the cart's owner!

Bill

Bill, I would never ask others to put themselves in a position that could bring undesirable results or liability from the moving of the cart! Also the situation does not present any real danger to others and as such I wouldn't call in law enforcement to turn in the offender any more that I would turn in a neighbor who had more than two goldfish pets! Besides, how would I know if the offender was actually handicapped (I know it would still be illegal parking) and just forgot to put up his placard or did have it where it was not visible to me! Sometimes it's just better to let nature take it's course and let law enforcement handle the situation if they happen to spot the situation.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Originally Posted by Talk Host

Wouldn't that put the "pushers" into the position of being guiltily of malicious mischief, (messing with somebody's private property?.........JLK

Originally Posted by skyguy79

Bill, I would never ask others to put themselves in a position that could bring undesirable results or liability from the moving of the cart! Also the situation does not present any real danger to others and as such I wouldn't call in law enforcement to turn in the offender any more that I would turn in a neighbor who had more than two goldfish pets! Besides, how would I know if the offender was actually handicapped (I know it would still be illegal parking) and just forgot to put up his placard or did have it where it was not visible to me! Sometimes it's just better to let nature take it's course and let law enforcement handle the situation if they happen to spot the situation.

You're both right - and I was wrong/out of line with my post. I guess if you choose to put yourself in that position, that's up to the individual. To drag someone else into it wouldn't be kosher.

My bad.

Bill

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo

You're both right - and I was wrong/out of line with my post. I guess if you choose to put yourself in that position, that's up to the individual. To drag someone else into it wouldn't be kosher.

My bad.

Bill

Out of line? I wouldn't say that! You just simply replied with what was on your mind at the time you posted, and sometimes we hastily react with blurred vision. Remember the old expression that hind-sight is 20/20? Well, there's more to that expression, but I dont think that I should go there!
Is that pop-corn ready yet?

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Thanks. My blurred vision is usually from Sandy head-slapping me, though....

Finished the latest batch of popcorn - got some more goin' as we speak!

Bill

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo

Thanks. My blurred vision is usually from Sandy head-slapping me, though....

Finished the latest batch of popcorn - got some more goin' as we speak!

Bill

Have you considered seeking help from PCA (Popcorn Anonymous)?

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

Have you considered seeking help from PCA (Popcorn Anonymous)?

Oh heavens no! I don't have a popcorn problem...........

Bill

[rubicon]

There is a lot of information here that needs to be explored from police jurisdiction to the possibility of exclusion by an insurance company if a cart is altered??????

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo

You're both right - and I was wrong/out of line with my post. I guess if you choose to put yourself in that position, that's up to the individual. To drag someone else into it wouldn't be kosher.

My bad.

Bill

I never heard of kosher popcorn. Maybe you need a pickle smilie.

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by Pturner

I never heard of kosher popcorn. Maybe you need a pickle smilie.

Hows this one!

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Originally Posted by Pturner

I never heard of kosher popcorn.........

Check it out!!!

http://www.daleandthomaspopcorn.com/...r-popcorn.aspx

Bill

[downeaster]

Originally Posted by rubicon

There is a lot of information here that needs to be explored from police jurisdiction to the possibility of exclusion by an insurance company if a cart is altered??????

I agree, rubicon but apparently few others care.

[mrfixit]

Just for info only......When You saw a Golf Car in Handicapped Spot in Colony.. You stated that You "waited in car " while the wife ran in the store.... IF you park in a Handicapped Spot in Florida.. State Statute # 316.1955...... AND use a Handicapped Sticker.... the person to whom the Handicapped status is issued MUST EXIT the Vehicle... therefore IF You also parked in a Handicapped SPOT AND did not EXIT THE CAR... YOU ARE IN VIOLATION ....UNLESS your wife ALSO has a Handicapped sticker issued to her ..and that one was displayed......Just Sayin'

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by mrfixit

Just for info only......When You saw a Golf Car in Handicapped Spot in Colony.. You stated that You "waited in car " while the wife ran in the store.... IF you park in a Handicapped Spot in Florida.. State Statute # 316.1955...... AND use a Handicapped Sticker.... the person to whom the Handicapped status is issued MUST EXIT the Vehicle... therefore IF You also parked in a Handicapped SPOT AND did not EXIT THE CAR... YOU ARE IN VIOLATION ....UNLESS your wife ALSO has a Handicapped sticker issued to her ..and that one was displayed......Just Sayin'

Although you did not indicate you thought that I was in another space requiring a permit, I want to state that we were not in such a space but in a general space. But now in hind-sight, you've made me think about our having parked in a general spot and if it were the right thing for us to do. I'll need to give you some background to understand.

We purchased the vehicle more than a year ago and had to buy it without personally driving it because of my condition at the time. Once I could try it I found that I could not safely drive it and my wife has had to do all the driving since. I can't even get myself up and into the passenger seat.

So what I've had to do is either drive my mobility scooter in (or walk in) via the deployed ramp then move off my scooter to the bench seat in the back. What we haven't thought about until I read your message is that... if I am waiting in the back while my wife runs in someplace and we are parked in a standard spot, I wouldn't be able to deploy the ramp to exit and wouldn't be able to get out if necessary while she was gone. The necessity could be anything from an emergency like the unlikely chance that the my vehicle or a vehicle on either side of me catches fire to the need to exit to find a rest room.

So this prompted me (and I'm glad it did) to find and read the statute you gave. I did find it on a Florida .gov website and having read it over twice I found that it did not indicate or even imply what you claimed it did. If I missed it you can point out where it was specifically stated by underlining. I'm providing that section below.

So I want to thank you for making that post, not for bring to my attention what you thought, but rather because it brought to my attention (and possible other disabled individuals) of the potential danger that would exist if a standard parking space is used in the future under similar situations. It's funny how sometimes being wrong can turn out being right!

316.1955 Enforcement of parking requirements for persons who have disabilities.—
(1) It is unlawful for any person to stop, stand, or park a vehicle within, or to obstruct, any such specially designated and marked parking space provided in accordance with s. 553.5041, unless the vehicle displays a disabled parking permit issued under s. 316.1958 or s. 320.0848 or a license plate issued under s. 320.084, s. 320.0842, s. 320.0843, or s. 320.0845, and the vehicle is transporting the person to whom the displayed permit is issued. The violation may not be dismissed for failure of the marking on the parking space to comply with s. 553.5041 if the space is in general compliance and is clearly distinguishable as a designated accessible parking space for people who have disabilities. Only a warning may be issued for unlawfully parking in a space designated for persons with disabilities if there is no above-grade sign as provided in s. 553.5041.
(a) Whenever a law enforcement officer, a parking enforcement specialist, or the owner or lessee of the space finds a vehicle in violation of this subsection, that officer, owner, or lessor shall have the vehicle in violation removed to any lawful parking space or facility or require the operator or other person in charge of the vehicle immediately to remove the unauthorized vehicle from the parking space. Whenever any vehicle is removed under this section to a storage lot, garage, or other safe parking space, the cost of the removal and parking constitutes a lien against the vehicle.
(b) The officer or specialist shall charge the operator or other person in charge of the vehicle in violation with a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as provided in s. 316.008(4) or s. 318.18(6). The owner of a leased vehicle is not responsible for a violation of this section if the vehicle is registered in the name of the lessee.
(c) All convictions for violations of this section must be reported to the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles by the clerk of the court.
(d) A law enforcement officer or a parking enforcement specialist has the right to demand to be shown the person's disabled parking permit and driver's license or state identification card when investigating the possibility of a violation of this section. If such a request is refused, the person in charge of the vehicle may be charged with resisting an officer without violence, as provided in s. 843.02.
(2) It is unlawful for any person to obstruct the path of travel to an accessible parking space, curb cut, or access aisle by standing or parking a vehicle within any such designated area. The violator is subject to the same penalties as are imposed for illegally parking in a space that is designated as an accessible parking space for persons who have disabilities.
(3) Any person who is chauffeuring a person who has a disability is allowed, without need for a disabled parking permit or a special license plate, to stand temporarily in any such parking space, for the purpose of loading or unloading the person who has a disability. A penalty may not be imposed upon the driver for such temporary standing.
(4)(a) A vehicle that is transporting a person who has a disability and that has been granted a permit under s. 320.0848(1)(a) may be parked for a maximum of 30 minutes in any parking space reserved for persons who have disabilities. (b) Notwithstanding paragraph (a), a theme park or an entertainment complex as defined in s. 509.013(9) which provides parking in designated areas for persons who have disabilities may allow any vehicle that is transporting a person who has a disability to remain parked in a space reserved for persons who have disabilities throughout the period the theme park is open to the public for that day.

Ref: http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/FileStores/Web/Statutes/FS08/CH0316/Section_0316.1955.HTM

[GeorgeT]

Radar trap on Bailey Trail today. Just after the gate to Sunset Point.