[rmd2]

Originally Posted by PennBF

I notice that around 85-90% of the deaths from the Virus indicate the unfortunate victim had contact with a person who had had the virus! In today's reporting all 7 had been in contact with a person who had the virus. I then go by one of the Bar's in Sumter Landing and see the many who are not using 6 feet distance and don't have a mask on! Either they have not seen the statistics regarding the risks of that behavior or don't care. It may be really smart to think twice when you throw out the suggestions for control of your behavior?

I think most of these are from nursing homes which have many deaths due to the outbreak of the virus with both patients and workers there.

[rmd2]

Originally Posted by Leadbone1

You know what I would like to see? All you paranoid people that have not yet realized that you cannot hide from a virus, just stay home and leave the rest of us alone. We are living life. We don’t walk around with masks over our faces that do no good anyway! If we get the virus we will deal with it. If we don’t we won’t. It’s just another virus with the same mortality rate as the flu. COVID-19 is not a death sentence for over 99% of us! You still don’t realize that this thing has been weaponized by the media for political purposes. So stay home if you choose but just be quiet about it!

This is nothing like the regular flu. There can be many long term problems with lungs, heart and other organs.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by PennBF

I notice that around 85-90% of the deaths from the Virus indicate the unfortunate victim had contact with a person who had had the virus! In today's reporting all 7 had been in contact with a person who had the virus. I then go by one of the Bar's in Sumter Landing and see the many who are not using 6 feet distance and don't have a mask on! Either they have not seen the statistics regarding the risks of that behavior or don't care. It may be really smart to think twice when you throw out the suggestions for control of your behavior?

Here are some relevant statistics - 25% of Americans have been tested. 58% know someone that has had it. 20% of Americans know someone who has Died of CV. These numbers are SLOWLY projecting upward.
......Spain HAD its CV problem under control like most of Europe. But, unlike the rest of Europe, they opened up too much too quickly - and now they have returned to their previous highs and have big problems and confusion. They let in tourists from the UK. Spain was GREEDY for their routine summer beach boom and tourist MONEY from the UK.
......The US could easily experience the same situation with regular Flu Season coming up. The US return to schools and other "normal" activity makes a large 2nd wave of CV likely!

[swooner]

Originally Posted by PennBF

I notice that around 85-90% of the deaths from the Virus indicate the unfortunate victim had contact with a person who had had the virus! In today's reporting all 7 had been in contact with a person who had the virus. I then go by one of the Bar's in Sumter Landing and see the many who are not using 6 feet distance and don't have a mask on! Either they have not seen the statistics regarding the risks of that behavior or don't care. It may be really smart to think twice when you throw out the suggestions for control of your behavior?

You neglected one likely cause: STUPIDITY!

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Here are some relevant statistics - 25% of Americans have been tested. 58% know someone that has had it. 20% of Americans know someone who has Died of CV. These numbers are SLOWLY projecting upward.
......Spain HAD its CV problem under control like most of Europe. But, unlike the rest of Europe, they opened up too much too quickly - and now they have returned to their previous highs and have big problems and confusion. They let in tourists from the UK. Spain was GREEDY for their routine summer beach boom and tourist MONEY from the UK.
......The US could easily experience the same situation with regular Flu Season coming up. The US return to schools and other "normal" activity makes a large 2nd wave of CV likely!

Don’t you mean the 3rd wave?

[chet2020]

Originally Posted by Leadbone1

You know what I would like to see? All you paranoid people that have not yet realized that you cannot hide from a virus, just stay home and leave the rest of us alone. We are living life. We don’t walk around with masks over our faces that do no good anyway! If we get the virus we will deal with it. If we don’t we won’t. It’s just another virus with the same mortality rate as the flu. COVID-19 is not a death sentence for over 99% of us! You still don’t realize that this thing has been weaponized by the media for political purposes. So stay home if you choose but just be quiet about it!

Sure, keep living life and don't wear a mask. Some of us prefer not to gamble our lives and permanent lung or heart damage. Who's right? It sort of doesn't matter. We paranoids will continue to "stay home," while you fearless types will continue to stay out and propagate the virus. And while the virus numbers stay high, we paranoids are staying home and not spending money at small businesses, and the economy stays in the tank. And the circle continues.

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

IMO I think it’s very hard (not impossible, but hard) to get It off something ( especially outdoors) unless you’re licking you’re finger’s all the time and not washing you’re hands. IMO it’s airborne and you walk through it or it’s gets directed you’re way and you inhale it. IMO when somebody coughs or sneezes 6 feet not going to be enough.

This.

It's not being transmitted to any measurable degree by fomites(surfaces). Countries that are doing extensive contact tracing have very very few unsolved cases. The vast majority of cases they are able to track to an infected person. All the hand sanitizer and chlorox wipes are a waste of time and effort. It doesn't hurt to clean as regular rhinoviruses and traditional flu can pass that way, but it's not preventing covid transmission. It's just drying out people's hands and making them paranoid to open a door.

[OCsun]

Originally Posted by merrymini

Many years ago, 2009, there was a virus called the swine flu. 60 million Americans caught it. They stopped testing because they could not keep up. It did not cause the close down of the country or the world. That specific strain of flu is now considered a normal seasonal flu. Stop whining. This happens periodically and not everyone will survive, especially the frail. It is a reality of life. So wash your hands. Wear a mask, which may do nothing, if it makes you happy, and allow people the freedom to live their lives.

Only 12,500 Americans died from the Swine Flu.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

If you were given a jar of 100 jelly beans and two of them would cause your death, five of them would make you very ill, and twenty five of them would make you mildly ill, would you eat from that jar?

[Wyseguy]

Are you saying, that the majority of the people who dies from the virus came in contact with someone who had the virus? Isn't that a bit like, if your grandmother did not have any children there is a 50% chance that you will not either.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Leadbone1

You know what I would like to see? All you paranoid people that have not yet realized that you cannot hide from a virus, just stay home and leave the rest of us alone. We are living life. We don’t walk around with masks over our faces that do no good anyway! If we get the virus we will deal with it. If we don’t we won’t. It’s just another virus with the same mortality rate as the flu. COVID-19 is not a death sentence for over 99% of us! You still don’t realize that this thing has been weaponized by the media for political purposes. So stay home if you choose but just be quiet about it!

Oh, bizzarro.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by FromNY

It may not be a death sentence but it messes up life. A friend had to postpone a hip replacement because of a positive test. Now will loss income for additional weeks or months. A Grandparent cannot hold the grandchild ,positive test. A trip overseas for a family celebration canceled. Positive test. Hours of concern when notified by a place of business that staff tested positive and You might want to get tested. Nope not a death sentence a life messed up. Those at risk do take precautions and do try to live. Those who still think this is like the flu...maybe you need to be quiet and just hang with others who are self-centered. We all need to be self responsible. Not insulting. Don't wear a mask fine stay away from those of us who do. Maybe we are positive and protecting you or your loved ones? Maybe we are choosing to live longer and not die an ugly painful death. Maybe we know if we get it that it will be death or worse living with horrid body results from it. Personally I would take having the flu over Covid-19.

Very, very correct. Good job! Kudos.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I'm not one for conspiracy theories to begin with but this one would involve over the leaders of over 180 counties getting together behind closed doors.

The problem with simply staying home and being quiet about it is that every person that contracts the virus is a danger to every person that comes near him. if you pick up the virus by hanging out at a bar and then stop at a supermarket on your way home, you have possibly infected several other people, especially if you don't wear a mask. Masks mostly protect the people around the wearer. Now those people go home to family members and are a threat to them.

It may not be a death sentence for 99% of the people, but we don't often hear the statistics of how many people suffer permanent damage after contracting the virus. Some people have to be hospitalized which is not a pleasant experience. Also we all need to take into consideration that we are in an area with a large number of people that are at very high risk to die if they contract the virus.

The idea that social distancing and wearing masks will help stop the spread of the virus is accepted experts in over 180 countries. The longer this goes on, the longer these protocols will remain in place.

As for it being no different than the seasonal flu, I don't recall the seasonal fly lasting for eight months or more. I don't believe that the seasonal flu is as contagious as Covid-19. This virus spreads faster than any other that we have experienced.

The more people that follow the recommended guidelines, the better off we'll all be. It's not simply about you, it's about everyone around you.

Good solid post.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Choro&Swing

My girlfriend’s parents three hours south of The Villages, ages 91 and 85, have been in the hospital fighting this virus for 17 days. Her dad is doing better and may be transferred to a rehab hospital today so he can learn to walk again. Her mother is sinking. I don’t think she is going to make it.

Yes, people die of the flu, often in the hospital, but not usually after long struggles like this to stay alive. They claim they stayed away from other people and wore masks and gloves. But they went to the barber shop and the beauty parlor and the nail salon, though there were precautions. The mom went shopping. She wore rubber gloves, then took them off for reuse, pulling on the possibly contaminated fingertips. They went out to dinner a couple times. They had a couple “safe” couples over. Two of those safe men now have the virus. The dad sat head to head with one guy who came over explaining something. No mask, but he was safe. The mom gave a big hug to the neighbors across the street, one of whom is on chemotherapy right now. So now he has it. Or did he give it to them? Who knows.

You are right that for most of us, it is no worse than a cold or the flu. You are right that the number who are in the hospital is perhaps overblown. But when the people who treat these sick people and give them rides and take their money at cash registers and do their nails for a living are at much higher risk of illness or even death, it should be sobering. If I were a nurse or a doctor, I would be seriously scared. If I were still teaching, as I was a few months ago, I would be very nervous.

I wish there were, say, a special color of shirt or hat that people could wear that symbolizes that the wearer doesn’t believe in all this and is making no attempt to avoid this sickness. Then those of us who are nervous could just quietly keep our distance.

Very well explained. And thank you for your service - teaching!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Don’t you mean the 3rd wave?

Not really. I'll stand by 2nd wave because we have never come back down from the earlier peak. Down a little but not close to a real bottom for the 1st wave. So, I see, in the Fall, that the US will see an increase toward or above our former wave peak. So, I am calling it a SECOND wave. ---Anyway, it is a trivial detail (2nd or 3rd). Better to look at the overall concept of a particular post.