[Chatbrat]

I'm hesitant to name a location, but one are restaurant with 2 locations seems to have more than their fair share of DUI"s and one of them resulted in a fatality

IMHO, management should instruct their servers when to cut people off

Maybe the authorities should check and post the results of which establishments have the most patrons who get arrested for DUI--

Health violations are published

[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=Chatbrat;1441809]I'm hesitant to name a location, but one are restaurant with 2 locations seems to have more than their fair share of DUI"s and one of them resulted in a fatality

IMHO, management should instruct their servers when to cut people off

Maybe the authorities should check and post the results of which establishments have the most patrons who get arrested for DUI--

Health violations are published[/QUOTE

The restaurants would be damned if they do and damned if they don't. Then some with a snoot full would take on the restaurant staff, perhaps physically, and if LEO are called, lawyers could be involved. Some people can appear sober even when they are three sheets to the wind. Some people can "handle" more alcohol than others. What people should do and what people could do and what people would do is often different than what people do do. Do you see where I'm going?

I don't drink alcohol at all. Don't smoke. Sometimes that marks me off of some invites that are fun. I still have fun here in The Villages.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

The restaurants would be damned if they do and damned if they don't. Then some with a snoot full would take on the restaurant staff, perhaps physically, and if LEO are called, lawyers could be involved. Some people can appear sober even when they are three sheets to the wind. Some people can "handle" more alcohol than others. What people should do and what people could do and what people would do is often different than what people do do. Do you see where I'm going?

I don't drink alcohol at all. Don't smoke. Sometimes that marks me off of some invites that are fun. I still have fun here in The Villages.

I do not drink nor smoke either, graciegirl.

If a regular customer at some bar well known to the bartender looks drunk I do think it would be the friendly thing to tell the person that he should stop drinking. But the person might just go to the next bar around the corner and start drinking there.

My late younger brother was a long term alcoholic and it finally killed him around the Thanksgiving Holiday of 2014. We have quite a lot of experience dealing with alcoholism. It takes quite a toll when a family member is addicted. And they take great efforts to get the next drink no matter how hard you try to stop them.

Alcoholics Anonymous works for some if the addict accepts the program. My younger brother never really did. I miss him often but do not miss all the alcoholic drama. It went on from 1998- 2014. Quite a lot of hardship for everyone in the family.

[redwitch]

So, how do you cut off the person in a group where the drunk doesn't even go near the bar to get a drink (others in the group are going to the bar and buying)? What about the ones who enjoyed happy hour in the square, came in and the next drink was their straw, so to speak? The restaurant may be to blame but just as often they have no clue someone has imbibed too much.

Drinking and driving are ugly bedfellows. I don't care if you've only had two drinks or are falling down drunk -- your driving is impaired. You don't pay as much attention, your reflexes are a little slower, your coordination is not what it should be. People die because of the arrogance of the person who thinks they are okay to drive.

I do occasionally drink. If I have a drink when out, it is with a meal and drunk very slowly. Otherwise, I will have a drink and then switch to Coke for at least the next hour. There is no excuse for drinking and driving and to blame the bartender or server for the arrogance of the drunk is not entirely fair.

[Gpsma]

Gracie....why would someone not invite you just because you don't drink? But then again the worst thing is a drunk around sober people or someone sober around a bunch of drunks.

I have had friends who owned bars and restaurants. They have always been reluctant to cut off drunks unless they are falling down or causing trouble. In reality, if you serve someone 3 or 4 drinks they are probably "legally" drunk. If they can handle their booze no bar owner is going to cut off a paying customer. They probably would just find another bar

[Chatbrat]

In NJ, the establishment and or home owner are legally responsible as well as the driver for injury and or damages caused by a drunk driver

[manaboutown]

Dram shop laws in Florida Dram Shop Laws and Social Host Liability for Alcohol-Related Accidents in Florida | Nolo.com

[dewilson58]

Maybe authorities should post gas vs. electric carts

or

Ford's vs. Chevy's.

It only takes a couple of drinks for some. Bars would have to sell one drink, then it shut off.

Posting stats aren't going to stop drunk drivers.

[Bonny]

I can't imagine anyone of us knowing where most of the DUI's happen. Very unfair when there are multiple restaurants around the squares to say where anyone got drunk because they are walking around. If they stop at City Fire or Red Sauce etc., it doesn't mean that's where they had too much.
People need to take responsibility for themselves. I have seen many people get cut off. Then they go get one of their friends to buy them a drink. Can't blame the bar.

[PennBF]

It is not "Rocket Science" as a solution is to have a Sheriff Deputy at the square observing the behaviors at the main bars at Lake Sumter which are mobbed in most evenings. The ones at risk are the innocent people driving or in carts on the carts paths who may be injured or killed because of the idiot drunk who did not know enough to stop or have someone drive for them. We have a couple of retired Addiction Counselor's in the family and when we drive by the bars in the evening it is always commented regarding the poor people these idiots may hit. Why the Sheriff is not assigning someone to observe these area's is a mystery. Have they been told not to because of the negative publicity, are they just ignoring the problem exists as everyone can observe the drunks walking around with open containers, etc? As a side point the largest area of increases in drinking problems are people over 60 not the youth.

[manaboutown]

The establishments alluded to by the OP were obvious to me the first time I ever saw them. I gave them a wide berth walking due to the toxic haze from the cigarette smoke surrounding their porches - and this was on a weekday afternoon. I imagine at night whatever goes on there increases by an order of magnitude. Those places are gold mines for the owners, no doubt about it!

[bbbbbb]

[QUOTE=Chatbrat;1441809]I'm hesitant to name a location, but one are restaurant with 2 locations seems to have more than their fair share of DUI"s and one of them resulted in a fatality

IMHO, management should instruct their servers when to cut people off

Maybe the authorities should check and post the results of which establishments have the most patrons who get

Hi, well, I had some real first hand experience with my parents, drinking and driving. Have seen it all, I do not drink. OK. Consider this, the name of the game here is to drink, to drink, and to make money, so be it. When a location such as the Villages and the management condones happy hours going on and on, early in the day and till late, plenty of parking in front of the watering hole then the heavy drinkers are going to be a problem. This event is like the tree that is going bad, it starts to rot from the top down. OK go ahead and correct me. I have a good friend who is a lawyer. Here is his take on this: This will go on until, due to a major tragic event, there will unfortunately be a major crash or drastic fatalities. . A group of folks will sue the management for millions because they make this all possible. Then the management will get the message. Sorry folks, your suggestions will not change anything.
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[Harry Gilbert]

Here is the law on this subject:

768.125 Liability for injury or damage resulting from intoxication.—A person who sells or furnishes alcoholic beverages to a person of lawful drinking age shall not thereby become liable for injury or damage caused by or resulting from the intoxication of such person, except that a person who willfully and unlawfully sells or furnishes alcoholic beverages to a person who is not of lawful drinking age or who knowingly serves a person habitually addicted to the use of any or all alcoholic beverages may become liable for injury or damage caused by or resulting from the intoxication of such minor or person.
History.—s. 1, ch. 80-37.

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Very beneficial for the bar or restaurant.

[Taltarzac725]

Florida’s Dram Shop Laws: What You Need To Know -

Being a good friend of a patron and not looking out for him works to your disadvantage if you are a server/host/ etc.

[Polar Bear]

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat

...Sorry folks, your suggestions will not change anything.[/B]
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You assume the need or desire for change. TV is not as different from other places as many would profess it to be.