[graciegirl]

[quote=Jim 9922;1066806]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I agree with much of this, but if you drive on that road you know that there no way that a car passes a given point every six seconds. Many times I go through those gates and don't see another car in either direction for a quarter of a mile.
There is no way those numbers can be correct.

I realize that in reality there is not a vehicle passing EVERY 6 Seconds. The "calculation" was intended to make a point. There are a lot of cars traveling that road. In practice there are "blocks" of traffic which do allow for left turns, but things do get hairy at times, especially during the Winter Season. As for the 466 southbound crossover; that's where someone will eventually get hit by a car coming out of the "starting gates".

There is nothing that I can think as an easy fix for LOTS of new people driving around in rental cars and trying to read a map during January, February and March.

I doubt when The Morses planned that part of Morse they never DREAMED we would be this big.

I wish the cart paths were separate from that major road and try my best to be very careful when I am driving both my car and cart in that area.

[TheVillageChicken]

Just passed through there. Two cops, and each one had someone pulled over. Both cars were Northbound.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken

Just passed through there. Two cops, and each one had someone pulled over. Both cars were Northbound.

Thanks for the heads up. Two days in a row giving out tickets!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

My golly, Doc! Doesn't your cart have brakes to keep it from exceeding 20mph on the downhill or anywhere else?

Do you coast down West Boone or St. Andrews or Mark in your car without applying the brakes?

The speed limit on those roads is 25 mph. If I'm going down any of those hills at 25, mph why should I be cited for speeding? I guess I could be cited for having an unregistered vehicle since my golf cart is capable of going over 20 mph, but I would argue that every golf cart in The Villages is illegal.


Like I said, the cart that I saw pulled over yesterday going northbound on Morse was in the middle of a downhill grade just before San Marino Drive. Even if that cart is set to not exceed 19 mph on level ground with no wind, it may have gotten up over 20 on the downhill. Remember, there is no speed limit for golf carts.

My main point is that these laws are so vague that they may be unconstitutional. The conditions under which a golf cart is capable of going 20 mph should be stipulated in the law. As far as I know, except in a few spots like the Morse bridge over Lake Sumter there is no speed limit for golf carts.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by gerryann

With all of the talk about lack of police presence on Morse near the scene of the accident, I'm so surprised to now see folks complaining that they are there doing their job. DONT SPEED, then you don't have to worry about it.

I do not think the police are giving out tickets for going 1 or 2 over......seriously!! And I don't think they are out "harassing" anyone either.

The people that are complaining about the police harassing the public are not the same ones complaining about the lack of police presence. I don't think that most people think that there is a lack of police presence there at all. a few over zealous people go and make a scene and the reaction is a bunch of unnecessary tickets being handed out.

I would be surprised most people think that there is any kind of a problem there at all.

I'd like to se how many accidents there have been over the past ten years and how many of them involved a golf cart and car or truck. Like I said before, I've been here for three years and can only recall two. Both were the result of an elderly person making a huge mistake. Neither had to do with excessive speed or poorly designed roadways.

Maybe we should be looking at taking driving privileges away from people of a certain age, since age or faculties seems to be more of a problem than speeding, signage or poorly marked lanes.

[Shimpy]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

There's a difference between the police doing their job and harassing people for minor violations.

The US Supreme has ruled that a lot of those little towns that set themselves up as speed traps are in violation of the constitution.

In the end, the job of the police is to protect the public. Giving a ticket to a driver going 1 or 2 mph over the limit is not protecting anyone. Those drivers are not endangering anyone.

Most judges will toss out cases where a driver is cited for going 5 mph or less over the limit. They will often reprimand the officer for wasting the court's time.

Exactly,.....Does TV want to get a reputation and be on AAA's list of worst speed traps to avoid? I doubt the developer would like that. Given the tolerance of + and - of accuracy of police radar, and the fact that probably 90% of golf carts don't come with speedometers how can you ticket someone that is only going less than 1% over the limit? I have a speedometer and know that tail winds such as we have now can add 1 to 3 mph to my speed not to mention how going down hill will effect it. How does someone that buys a perfectly legal cart that doesn't come with a speedometer going to know that? If they did have a speedometer, what is the + or - accuracy of that speedometer? Giving tickets for less than 5 mph over the limit is harassment.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Shimpy

Exactly,.....Does TV want to get a reputation and be on AAA's list of worst speed traps to avoid? I doubt the developer would like that. Given the tolerance of + and - of accuracy of police radar, and the fact that probably 90% of golf carts don't come with speedometers how can you ticket someone that is only going less than 1% over the limit? I have a speedometer and know that tail winds such as we have now can add 1 to 3 mph to my speed not to mention how going down hill will effect it. How does someone that buys a perfectly legal cart that doesn't come with a speedometer going to know that? If they did have a speedometer, what is the + or - accuracy of that speedometer? Giving tickets for less than 5 mph over the limit is harassment.

Somehow I don't think TV will get a rep for worst speed traps anymore than we might get one for worst whiners.

On the other hand, the latter might actually happen. Oh No.

Sheesh will everyone please lighten up.

[Lbmb24101]

Originally Posted by billethkid

The police should keep a dedicated force to do nothing but watch for moving violations in TV. The force will easily pay for itself.

The more tickets and the higher the cost the better.

At some point TV will gain a reputation for strict traffic violation enforcement and everybody will respond according.

Just like we all do when we get to those little towns where we KNOW if you go one mile over the speed limit you will get a ticket.

Congrats to the increased enforcement and let's be good itizens and call and thank the appropriate law enforcement office and offer words to keep up the good work.

Grrreat post, as always!

[handyman]

What I have noticed after living here full time for four years, as soon as the Big Money (Snowbirds) head home, the radar guns come out.Not looking for a bone to pick,just stating an observation.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by handyman

What I have noticed after living here full time for four years, as soon as the Big Money (Snowbirds) head home, the radar guns come out.Not looking for a bone to pick,just stating an observation.

Actually, my experience is the reverse. I see more "radar guys" once the "Big Money" people leave. By the way, I have no data to support this but I feel comfortable saying that you are incorrect about your assessment of snowbird bank accounts.

[Shimpy]

Originally Posted by handyman

What I have noticed after living here full time for four years, as soon as the Big Money (Snowbirds) head home, the radar guns come out.Not looking for a bone to pick,just stating an observation.

I've noticed the same thing. During the winter there are many more targets or tickets to write. Now since the heavy traffic is gone there is much less opportunities to write tickets and they tend to get more aggressive to keep up the income from traffic fines.

[GatorFan]

At the VHA golf cart safety meeting, Lt. Wolf said they do not give tickets for speeding to a golf cart unless radar says 25 miles hour or higher. This takes into consideration downhill speed. If in doubt call Sheriff's department and ask.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by GatorFan

At the VHA golf cart safety meeting, Lt. Wolf said they do not give tickets for speeding to a golf cart unless radar says 25 miles hour or higher. This takes into consideration downhill speed. If in doubt call Sheriff's department and ask.

My experience supports that. I was stopped by SC sheriff on Oak Forest for going 24 MPH. He asked if I had a cart or LSV. Told him it was a cart and the motor had just been replaced because the original failed. He gave me a warning and told me to get the cart serviced to bring it to legal speed. That was all.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Actually, my experience is the reverse. I see more "radar guys" once the "Big Money" people leave. By the way, I have no data to support this but I feel comfortable saying that you are incorrect about your assessment of snowbird bank accounts.

I've read both of your posts several times and I believer that you are in agreement.

I believe that overall, the snowbirds probably have more money than the full timers. I think that there are many full timers who, if they could afford to go north for a few months would. Many of us stay here year round because we cannot afford to own two homes.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I've read both of your posts several times and I believer that you are in agreement.



I believe that overall, the snowbirds probably have more money than the full timers. I think that there are many full timers who, if they could afford to go north for a few months would. Many of us stay here year round because we cannot afford to own two homes.

You may be correct doc, but I love it here and have no interest in having a second home.