[bopat]

Sounds like a mental illness to me.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by adirenzo010

go on you tube search jeff gray

The Sumter County cop was very professional, polite and did a good job handling the man with sign on Villages' property. Jeff Gray on the other hand seemed to be trying to antagonize the officer.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Maker

Go re-read the SCOTUS case. It was specifically about SIGNS, and how ALL signs are 100% protected 1st amendment speech. Those protections apply to everyone.
Protected rights cannot be permanently given up, one may recover those rights at any time. That's basic constitutional law. A deed restriction is giving up that right, and can be recovered at anytime.
The protected class here is all people in the country.
Signs can be with words, or with images, or symbols (such as objects presented as to convey a message). Examples are garage sale; arrows; KFC's chicken bucket.

Governments often adopt sign laws, however most are generally not enforceable by this SCOTUS decision. But they look good, and some people actually fall for those unconstitutional restrictions.
SCOTUS said if you need to read a sign to decide if a law applies to it, then that law is unconstitutional. Their example was a law limiting dates when a political sign can be put up. SCOTUS said legal laws must fit very narrow limitations, such as construction not dangerous to others, can not block view of critical areas creating a safety issue (such as blocking a car's view of a stop sign). They said invalid reasons are content, location, size, quantity, types, style...

SCOTUS also said any part of a government cannot enforce any unconstitutional restriction. CDD operates as an extension of the government. So (for discussion's sake) even if one were to accept your theory that deed restriction are actually valid, CDDs are 100% barred from enforcement.
Don't like that? Go petition SCOTUS for a change in their ruling.

I don't need to do that. I deal with this stuff for a living and have a very good understanding of how it works.

Unlike many on this thread, i don't have to run to Google and decide what my opinion or position is.

You apparently have little or no experience with real estate property rights, because your conclusion is dead wrong. I can sell a parcel of land, with a restriction that "No Billboards" be erected. What I can't do, is sell a parcel of land and prohibit only billboards that attack LBGQT folks. Sometimes you don't have to run to AI to get a Constitutional question answered, one can sometimes rely on simply common sense.

Also, if you're going to quote the Supreme Court's decision in Reed, you perhaps should read it again. The Decision says that signs absolutely can be regulated by government, provided regulations are "content neutral". The Decision says sign regulations cannot be based on message or subject (content).

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

I don't need to do that. I deal with this stuff for a living and have a very good understanding of how it works.

Unlike many on this thread, i don't have to run to Google and decide what my opinion or position is.

You apparently have little or no experience with real estate property rights, because your conclusion is dead wrong. I can sell a parcel of land, with a restriction that "No Billboards" be erected. What I can't do, is sell a parcel of land and prohibit only billboards that attack LBGQT folks. Sometimes you don't have to run to AI to get a Constitutional question answered, one can sometimes rely on simply common sense.

Also, if you're going to quote the Supreme Court's decision in Reed, you perhaps should read it again. The Decision says that signs absolutely can be regulated by government, provided regulations are "content neutral". The Decision says sign regulations cannot be based on message or subject (content).

So once again, welcome to TOTV, where amateurs argue with experts. I feel your pain.

[Taltarzac725]

Talk of The Villages Florida - Easements question Talk of The Villages Florida - Easements question


This is interesting.

I was curious if the sidewalks in the Villages are private or public property?. And who maintains them? The County or the Villages? Probably depends on part on where it is the Villages.

[billlaur]

Originally Posted by CarlR33

And at the end the day the actual effort for “homeless vets” is hidden behind this nonsense. It’s hidden panhandling because who wins but the YouTuber with followers and paid advertisement.

You are wrong

[billlaur]

Originally Posted by ffresh

He wouldn't have to be a vet to hold up that sign. Also, a pat down in this situation would be a violation of his Fourth Amendment rights. The rest of your statement is QUITE a leap!

FredF

He is a vet

[billlaur]

Originally Posted by DjinGA

Sounds like he was soliciting $$. No soliciting is a neighborhood rule, not a law so Police have to charge with trespass.

He was not soliciting

[billlaur]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Was this guy accepting "donations"?

Florida doesn't have a statewide law prohibiting panhandling, but many local government units have ordinances prohibiting or regulating it.

Soliciting is freedom of speech…

[billlaur]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Was this guy accepting "donations"?

Florida doesn't have a statewide law prohibiting panhandling, but many local government units have ordinances prohibiting or regulating it.

No he was not..he doesn’t break the law…

[billlaur]

Originally Posted by Chellybean

A start with Florida Statue would be 316 and 316.2065
Villages in Sumter landing try to enforce sidewalks across the streets from the square, which is public sidewalks even during a event. The square where entertainment happens is under a use permit from 4 pm to 9 pm under statue 190. The village team event people have NO Police power or Authority on public side walks where all the stores are located! Wake up people are constitution rights are be attacked every day by the powers to be!

BRAVO

[billlaur]

Originally Posted by Road-Runner

I'm guessing the person holding the sign was doing so to silicate money from drivers at an intersection, etc.? I don't know if this is illegal but I for one don't care for this practice. As a former Georgian, this was widespread around Atlanta plus the occasional "windshield cleaner" downtown.

Well you guessed wrong

[billlaur]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The Sumter County cop was very professional, polite and did a good job handling the man with sign on Villages' property. Jeff Gray on the other hand seemed to be trying to antagonize the officer.

He was just asserting his rights,,police officer was wrong on several points..

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by billlaur

He was just asserting his rights,,police officer was wrong on several points..

Doubtful

[billlaur]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Talk of The Villages Florida - Easements question Talk of The Villages Florida - Easements question


This is interesting.

I was curious if the sidewalks in the Villages are private or public property?. And who maintains them? The County or the Villages? Probably depends on part on where it is the Villages.

C
Sidewalks are public..if no sidewalks available then rite of way comes into play…