[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Well, except there are XY females, there are 3 chromosome individuals, there are babies born with no distinguishable sexual organs at birth. If only it were so simple as just two sexes. And it is NOT just people, all throughout the animal kingdom there are things with chromosome anomalies.

Here is a short video on the history of Chromosomes, you might find it interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2y7osVtIX8

Anomaly = something not standard, expected or normal.
Chromosomal Abnormalities are just that, abnormal, or, not normal. Happens throughout the world of living things. But a human born with a tail is still human and not a monkey. Likewise, a human that thinks they would like to be a monkey may decide that they want to have a tail surgically attached won't make them a monkey. My only point is that you are what your DNA says you are. If you prefer a doctors research, check out Dr. Moreau's findings. A fictional tale that depicts that you are what nature or God made you, not what your surgeon made you look like.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Anomaly = something not standard, expected or normal.
Chromosomal Abnormalities are just that, abnormal, or, not normal. Happens throughout the world of living things. But a human born with a tail is still human and not a monkey. Likewise, a human that thinks they would like to be a monkey may decide that they want to have a tail surgically attached won't make them a monkey. My only point is that you are what your DNA says you are. If you prefer a doctors research, check out Dr. Moreau's findings. A fictional tale that depicts that you are what nature or God made you, not what your surgeon made you look like.

As an atheist I don't accept that God made me. This is a secular society, so our rules are based on science. Science says there is a spectrum of "sex" from male to female.

I understand you base your concept of sex on religious beliefs, and I respect that. I have no desire to change your sex or your beliefs. I wish you would offer me the same respect based on my beliefs and the science that supports me.

[tophcfa]

TSA needs to know gender in case a pat down search is necessary. They are required to have a male pat down a male and a female pat down a female. If people claim to be neither a male or female what do they do? Are they required to have a freak on staff for those occasions?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

As an atheist I don't accept that God made me. This is a secular society, so our rules are based on science. Science says there is a spectrum of "sex" from male to female.

I understand you base your concept of sex on religious beliefs, and I respect that. I have no desire to change your sex or your beliefs. I wish you would offer me the same respect based on my beliefs and the science that supports me.

Unfortunately for you, science does not support your view. There are XX females and XY males. Rarely, there is a chromosomal abnormality involving the 23rd chromosomes such as Kleinfelter's syndrome (XXY), Turner's syndrome (XO), and "supermen and women" (XXX and XYY). Most of these abnormalities are spontaneously aborted in the first trimester, those that survive have done so because the natural mechanism to prevent fetal development of these abnormalities has failed. There are also developmental abnormalities such as testicular feminization syndrome and hermaphroditism, also exceeding rare . There is no "spectrum" of sex (and I assume you meant gender).

However, this thread is about gender identification and those that choose a different identity than the one they were born with, either hormonally or surgically, or choose to identify with a different pronoun. That's entirely up to that individual. But do not spend millions of taxpayer dollars to accommodate them or ask everyone to learn their "pronoun". They still should be treated with respect and not called "freaks"

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Unfortunately for you, science does not support your view. There are XX females and XY males. Rarely, there is a chromosomal abnormality involving the 23rd chromosomes such as Kleinfelter's syndrome (XXY), Turner's syndrome (XO), and "supermen and women" (XXX and XYY). Most of these abnormalities are spontaneously aborted in the first trimester, those that survive have done so because the natural mechanism to prevent fetal development of these abnormalities has failed. There are also developmental abnormalities such as testicular feminization syndrome and hermaphroditism, also exceeding rare . There is no "spectrum" of sex (and I assume you meant gender).

However, this thread is about gender identification and those that choose a different identity than the one they were born with, either hormonally or surgically, or choose to identify with a different pronoun. That's entirely up to that individual. But do not spend millions of taxpayer dollars to accommodate them or ask everyone to learn their "pronoun". They still should be treated with respect and not called "freaks"

Well said

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Unfortunately for you, science does not support your view. There are XX females and XY males. Rarely, there is a chromosomal abnormality involving the 23rd chromosomes such as Kleinfelter's syndrome (XXY), Turner's syndrome (XO), and "supermen and women" (XXX and XYY). Most of these abnormalities are spontaneously aborted in the first trimester, those that survive have done so because the natural mechanism to prevent fetal development of these abnormalities has failed. There are also developmental abnormalities such as testicular feminization syndrome and hermaphroditism, also exceeding rare . There is no "spectrum" of sex (and I assume you meant gender).

However, this thread is about gender identification and those that choose a different identity than the one they were born with, either hormonally or surgically, or choose to identify with a different pronoun. That's entirely up to that individual. But do not spend millions of taxpayer dollars to accommodate them or ask everyone to learn their "pronoun". They still should be treated with respect and not called "freaks"

Sadly for you the science does support my view. There are about 140,000 intersex born each year. Not a trivial number. That is just one example, but there is no point arguing, I see you are not interested in acknowledging anyones views but your own.

So, lets let the thread return to the original question which was to stir up a dog whistle on anything other than your view.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

As an atheist I don't accept that God made me. This is a secular society, so our rules are based on science. Science says there is a spectrum of "sex" from male to female.

I understand you base your concept of sex on religious beliefs, and I respect that. I have no desire to change your sex or your beliefs. I wish you would offer me the same respect based on my beliefs and the science that supports me.

I do not base my concept of sex on religion. I am an agnostic. In my previous post I said " what God or nature made you" in order include both religious and non- religious points of view. I believe in science but I don't hold only with science that tells me what supports my point of view. Science is constantly evolving and my point of view changes as science changes. I don't let politics or social cliques or PC standards of the day dictate what or how I think. Therefore, in keeping with the theme of the thread, I stand by my position that your are what your DNA says you are, regardless of surgery, drugs, lifestyle preference, etc.

[me4vt]

Seriously!!!!

[banjobob]

God made Male and Female period , what you think you are or how you think you are is irrelevant.

[Luggage]

Sone agents are very pretty....

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Sadly for you the science does support my view. There are about 140,000 intersex born each year. Not a trivial number. That is just one example, but there is no point arguing, I see you are not interested in acknowledging anyones views but your own.

So, lets let the thread return to the original question which was to stir up a dog whistle on anything other than your view.

Pick and chose what "science" from who, what methodology that supports your opinion, 160,000. if you accept that number, how was it arrived at, out of how many, as another poster said they shouldn't be abused because of it but it is nothing that warrants all the PC attention, time trouble and concern. Give people in the future something to shake their heads about considering larger issues that will affect our society going forward

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Sadly for you the science does support my view. There are about 140,000 intersex born each year. Not a trivial number. That is just one example, but there is no point arguing, I see you are not interested in acknowledging anyones views but your own.

So, lets let the thread return to the original question which was to stir up a dog whistle on anything other than your view.

Care to cite a legitimate reference for that number and also define "intersex"? And even if we acknowledge 140,000 as correct, out of 7 billion on the planet that equals 0.00002%, so YES, it IS a trivial number. The ONLY correct statement you have made so far is that there is no point arguing. I have no need to try to educate another "Dr. Google".

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

Why do they even ask if it does not matter?

Don't Care.

[Get real]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Like sitting at you PC in the nude and typing "Another useless post."

I thought I turned the camera off. That's why I'm getting all those PM's from women.

[Get real]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

TSA needs to know gender in case a pat down search is necessary. They are required to have a male pat down a male and a female pat down a female. If people claim to be neither a male or female what do they do? Are they required to have a freak on staff for those occasions?

They have plenty of freaks.....some even write rules.