[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by BPRICE1234

We just moved here about 3 weeks ago. So far everyone has been so nice. We have met people from all over and heard many great stories.

We have on two occasions overheard people mention their age, in their 30s and 40s that live in the villages. They are full "members" and golf all the courses and do all the classes. How does this happen?

It is perfectly alright for anyone who can, and wants to, to live in The Villages if they are over nineteen. And as long as there is a balance of over fifty-five people living here. Only children under nineteen are not allowed to be here more than one month in a years time.

I know by now, that dozens of people have already told you this. Most people who want to live here are retired from work and there are many well over fifty five. My eighty fifth birthday is fast approaching. We still absolutely love it here.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by RobbyHarris

Doesn't that (unenforced) 80% or whatever % rule **NOT** apply to RESALES?

It is indeed applied to resales. It must and is monitored as it is a requirement from the Federal Government.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Packer Fan

...

I bought when I was 51 (now 61) and I asked about it, they explained it completely. They are REQUIRED by US law to allow up to 20% less than 55, and they have to track it PER THE GOVERNMENT to maintain the 55+ status.

...

Per HUD, that is not true:

There continues to be confusion
concerning what is often referred to as
the 80/20 split. HOPA states that the
minimum standard to obtain housing for
persons who are 55 years of age or older
status is that ‘‘at least 80%’’ of the
occupied units be occupied by persons
55 years or older. There is no
requirement that the remaining 20% of
the occupied units be occupied by
persons under the age of 55, nor is there
a requirement that those units be used
only for persons where at least one
member of the household is 55 years of
age or older. Communities may decline
to permit any persons under the age of
55, may require that 100% of the units
have at least one occupant who is 55
years of age or older, may permit up to
20% of the occupied units to be
occupied by persons who are younger
than 55 years of age, or set whatever
requirements they wish, as long as ‘‘at
least 80%’’ of the occupied units are
occupied by one person 55 years of age
or older, and so long as such
requirements are not inconsistent with
the overall intent to be housing for older
persons.

[CybrSage]

I was 53 when I bought. Like others said, TV is an 80/20 community...80% 55+

[Marathon Man]

To those that continue to believe that no one is keeping track of HOPA compliance: I suggest that you attend the next meeting of your CDD Board of Supervisors and ask them if and how it is done. It is definitely tracked as required by federal and state law.

[Shelbyh]

Originally Posted by BPRICE1234

We just moved here about 3 weeks ago. So far everyone has been so nice. We have met people from all over and heard many great stories.

We have on two occasions overheard people mention their age, in their 30s and 40s that live in the villages. They are full "members" and golf all the courses and do all the classes. How does this happen?

Real simple, TV goes by a 80/20 rule which means 20% don’t need to be 55 years of age.
I am not 55 yet (next year) but my husband is 56 and we live here. I always find it amazing that those under 55 would want to move here.

[JanRoberts]

Hahahaha!!!!!!

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Shelbyh

I am not 55 yet (next year) but my husband is 56 and we live here. I always find it amazing that those under 55 would want to move here.

Always good to amaze yourself.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Proof? Any proof? And not that family down the road who is embroiled in a deed restriction fight. Proof that the Developer is aware of a child under 19 living in a Village in violation of the deed restrictions and has not taken action to rectify the situation.

There was a brouhaha a couple years back about a resident who gained custody of their young grandchild (or grandchildren). Exceptions were made, the Developer signed off on it. There have been other exceptions made. And, as long as exceptions have been made, there will continue to be exceptions, until - eventually - the exception will become the rule.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Packer Fan

You are right about the first part. A few years ago the temp ID people told me it was about 8% less than 55 years old, but that may have changed.

The second part, which has been incorrectly stated several times in this forum, is just not true - they do track EXACTLY how many are less than 55... Through the Resident ID program. PEOPLE, they know how old EVERYONE is, they have birthdates, and by the way they have your phone number too.

I bought when I was 51 (now 61) and I asked about it, they explained it completely. They are REQUIRED by US law to allow up to 20% less than 55, and they have to track it PER THE GOVERNMENT to maintain the 55+ status.

Seriously people, we are dealing with government laws here, and the villages which has an army of lawyers. Think about it.

Not everyone here has a Villages ID. There are tenants whose landlords don't provide them with guest passes, and don't relinquish their own IDs to allow their tenants to get their own. They don't have any access to amenities, but some tenants aren't interested in those amenities. OR - they know ways around the rules, or will just break them and take their chances. It's pretty easy to just show up at the bocci courts and start using the equipment. As long as there's no league or club game that day, no one will even think to ask you for an ID.

Same with the pools. In fact, you can get a guest ID, show up a bunch of times so people are familiar with your presence, and when the guest ID expires just keep going. You can be a tenant for a year, two years - with no ID at all, still using the amenities, with only a very low risk of anyone asking for your ID.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There was a brouhaha a couple years back about a resident who gained custody of their young grandchild (or grandchildren). Exceptions were made, the Developer signed off on it. There have been other exceptions made. And, as long as exceptions have been made, there will continue to be exceptions, until - eventually - the exception will become the rule.

To me, there is a difference between a situation where a resident gains custody of a grandchild and allowing a family with children to purchase in the Villages. This would also be the difference between tolerating a case-by-case exception to the restrictions and not enforcing the restrictions.

Yes I know, when you see the same child come out of the same house on day 31 that is a violation of the deed restrictions and is certainly a case where the restrictions are not being enforced. But has that child really been there for a year or are they in a temporary emergency living situation while searching for a better solution? While the Developer is not enforcing the restrictions to the letter, are they maybe enforcing the spirit of the restrictions in a compassionate way?

Traveling 57mph is absolutely violating the 55mph speed limit, no question about it. Having a child in the home on day 31 is violating the restrictions, no question about it. But is traveling 57mph, perhaps when rushing an injured person to the hospital, really the same as traveling 85mph to get to the bar before happy hour is over? Is allowing temporary housing of a grandchild to avoid a placement in foster care really the same as not enforcing the restrictions and allowing a family to live in a home full time?

But to the question I asked originally, technically those are cases where the deed restrictions were not strictly enforced.

[Regorp]

Originally Posted by BPRICE1234

We just moved here about 3 weeks ago. So far everyone has been so nice. We have met people from all over and heard many great stories.

We have on two occasions overheard people mention their age, in their 30s and 40s that live in the villages. They are full "members" and golf all the courses and do all the classes. How does this happen?

Although no children under 19 can live here, except in a rental.

[Rodneysblue]

Originally Posted by BPRICE1234

We just moved here about 3 weeks ago. So far everyone has been so nice. We have met people from all over and heard many great stories.

We have on two occasions overheard people mention their age, in their 30s and 40s that live in the villages. They are full "members" and golf all the courses and do all the classes. How does this happen?

80% 20% rule. 20% of the population is allowed to be under 55.

[Margefrog]

Thank you.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Not everyone here has a Villages ID. There are tenants whose landlords don't provide them with guest passes, and don't relinquish their own IDs to allow their tenants to get their own. They don't have any access to amenities, but some tenants aren't interested in those amenities. OR - they know ways around the rules, or will just break them and take their chances. It's pretty easy to just show up at the bocci courts and start using the equipment. As long as there's no league or club game that day, no one will even think to ask you for an ID.

Same with the pools. In fact, you can get a guest ID, show up a bunch of times so people are familiar with your presence, and when the guest ID expires just keep going. You can be a tenant for a year, two years - with no ID at all, still using the amenities, with only a very low risk of anyone asking for your ID.

Not where I am. There is no day (that I have been there) when ID’s are not checked at the pool.